STTF SNG->cash thread

[Josem]

raise slightly more preflop (say, original bet *4 = $4 in this case) and then don't fold AK with an A on the board in a re-raised pot.

[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

do I bet/fold turn or check/fold turn?

villain is 18/14/2/80hnds

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP ($23.80)
Button ($26.55)
SB ($61.95)
Hero ($37.90)
UTG ($26.65)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.25, MP calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.5</font>, UTG calls $1.25, MP calls $1.25.

Flop: ($4.60) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3</font>, UTG folds, MP calls $3.

Turn: ($10.60) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets $7</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $10.60

[Josem]

[ QUOTE ]
raise slightly more preflop (say, original bet *4 = $4 in this case)

[/ QUOTE ]

just to expand on this point, some factors that I think should increase the size of your re-raise:
a) greater confidence that you're ahead of villain
b) being out of position (to pick up the put sooner)
c) more players in pot to make it heads up

[Josem]

DrJ AA hand:
I'd bet much closer to pot on the flop.

I'd also check fold on the turn; I think that hands you beat will check behind, and hands you lose to will call any turn bet.

[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

Is this ok until river? Should I just call 1st raise on river instead of reraising? Once I was raised the 2nd time I new I was beat, but can I fold at that point for $3?

villain is 56/11/1/9hnds

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (7 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($34.30)
Hero ($25)
BB ($14.95)
UTG ($16.75)
MP1 ($15)
MP2 ($5.45)
CO ($38.75)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls $0.25, MP2 calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.25) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets $0.25</font>, MP2 calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, BB calls $0.25.

Turn: ($2.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets $1</font>, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO folds, Hero calls $1.

River: ($4.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $2</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $4</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $10</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $13.45</font>, Hero calls $3.45.

Final Pot: $31.40

[Josem]

TJ hand - fold flop, ldo.

you're drawing to like (equivalent) 1 out. by folding, you get out of positions like this. also, call the min-raise on the river if you're going to be there. there are a million two pair or better hands that beat you.

[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

thanks Josem. I never considered these other factors, I always just looked at # of people in pot.

[Slim Pickens]

UTG+1 is 21/15/3 over 30 hands and c-bets 100%, though not really enough sample to care. He hasn't shown me anything outstanding yet so I'd like to treat him as a typical bad TAG. Do I fail at poker?

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $113.20
UTG+1: $123.25
CO: $129.10
Hero: $150.30
SB: $210
BB: $134.95

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises to $3.5</font>, CO folds, Hero calls, 2 folds.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($8.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 bets $6</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $17</font>, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($42.5, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks.

River: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($42.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 bets $33</font>, Hero calls.

[Josem]

slim 44 hand:

pf - calling seems reasonable since you're on the button. 3.5 * 8 = you need to win, on average, $30 when you hit your set. i don't know whether this is reasonable when many hands (AK, AQ, etc.) won't pay you off a chunk of the time.

flop - seems reasonable, but i'd be inclined to just call here. if villain is cbetting (as you suspect) then you can just bet the turn when he checks. if villain has a real hand, and you're behind, you minimise the amount of money put in behind.

also, it seems that many players seem more likely to call a raise when they have already bet, because they don't "like" getting raised off stuff.

[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

[ QUOTE ]
UTG+1 is 21/15/3 over 30 hands and c-bets 100%, though not really enough sample to care. He hasn't shown me anything outstanding yet so I'd like to treat him as a typical bad TAG. Do I fail at poker?

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $113.20
UTG+1: $123.25
CO: $129.10
Hero: $150.30
SB: $210
BB: $134.95

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises to $3.5</font>, CO folds, Hero calls, 2 folds.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($8.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 bets $6</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $17</font>, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($42.5, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks.

River: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($42.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 bets $33</font>, Hero calls.

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As played, calling the river can't be right, since he called a huge flop raise.

Maybe just call flop (float or peel?) would be best and reevaluate turn and river.

Remember small hand small pots, big hand big pots... 44 is not a big hand.