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10-31-2007, 02:52 PM
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Top Pair on Flop, With Position. I Don\'t Suck.
game is $2/$4 Pokerstars. 9 handed
no-reads at table. It's pretty damn standard. UTG+2 Limps, Hero has K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and Calls from MP. Everyone behind hero folds, Hero now has position in hand. SB Calls, BB Checks, Flop is J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] SB Checks, BB Checks, UTG+2 Bets, Hero Calls, SB Raises, BB Folds, UTG+2 Calls, <font color="red"> Hero Folds. </font> 
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#2
10-31-2007, 03:11 PM
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Re: Top Pair on Flop, With Position. I Don\'t Suck.
raise the flop please. i'd probably call the flop the 2nd time given your play. we have a lot of bd draws.
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#3
10-31-2007, 03:12 PM
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Re: Top Pair on Flop, With Position. I Don\'t Suck.
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It's pretty damn standard. </font> [/ QUOTE ] you play, or the table?
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#4
10-31-2007, 03:15 PM
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Re: Top Pair on Flop, With Position. I Don\'t Suck.
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[ QUOTE ] It's pretty damn standard. </font> [/ QUOTE ] you play, or the table? [/ QUOTE ] I was referring to the Table. Lately it's like that. Everyone plays the same game and if you know what they are doing well... Lotsa Lotsa decisions are easier. Standard Standard table.
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#6
10-31-2007, 03:28 PM
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Re: Top Pair on Flop, With Position. I Don\'t Suck.
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you have to raise this flop. [/ QUOTE ] You guys all seem to think it's that Cut and Dry don't you.. Is this everyones thoughts on the subject? Ignore that. What about the fold? What about the hands the C/R has here? Minimum hand requirements for this play is TPTK, Or am I off?
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#7
10-31-2007, 03:35 PM
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Re: Top Pair on Flop, With Position. I Don\'t Suck.
the sb limped into the pot and then checked the flop. At the time when were making this decision we don't know he's going to c/r. We either have to raise or fold on the flop calling doesn't protect our hand.
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#8
10-31-2007, 03:57 PM
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Re: Top Pair on Flop, With Position. I Don\'t Suck.
[quoteWhat about the fold? What about the hands the C/R has here?
Minimum hand requirements for this play is TPTK, Or am I off? [/ QUOTE ] TPTK usually raises preflop. i doubt he has that. range here is T8, JT, J9, J7, Jx, flush draw, flush draw+pair, pair+straightdraw, 77, 99. needless to say you cant fold for 1 bet.
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#9
10-31-2007, 03:14 PM
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Re: Top Pair on Flop, With Position. I Don\'t Suck.
(I've only played live, these comments might not apply)
I autoraise the flop almost every single time in this situation. Top pair, good kicker, bet coming from immediate right, small pot; isn't a raise standard here? I think this might also change the way the rest of the hand is played... As played, the pot is currently at 8:1. Hero has at least 3 solid outs (Kings) to get a bigger two pair, plus has outs against villain's J7 or 97, plus a backdoor flush draw and even a weak backdoor straight draw. I'm seeing the turn. GautoraisemonkeyG
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#10
10-31-2007, 04:29 PM
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Re: Top Pair on Flop, With Position. I Don\'t Suck.
grunch
As played you should call the second bet back, please. You should have raised the original bet. Not raising the first bet is pretty bad, IMO. If SB c/r to three after that I'm not sure what to do. This is where not playing online makes my opinion lesser than some others. The board is really drawy, so I'm inclined to say that's a big portion of his range, but I don't really have a feel as to how big a portion. Generally, getting to showdown with hands like this is standard.
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