50NL: Question about c-betting shortstacks

[Daniel LeClaire]

Note stack sizes of both villains. Do you normally proceed with your regular c-bet against these players? Is calling their (inevitable) shove spew?

#1
Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

BTN: $8.95
SB: $50.85
BB: $35.60
Hero (UTG): $52.35
MP: $92.75
CO: $51.10

Pre-Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $1.75</font>, 2 folds, BTN calls $1.75, 2 folds

Flop: ($4.25) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4 Q (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $3</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $7.20 and is All-In</font>, Hero calls $4.20

#2
Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

SB: $57.60
BB: $12.25
Hero (UTG): $50
MP: $19.20
CO: $22.75
BTN: $10.70

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $1.75</font>, 2 folds, BTN calls $1.75, 2 folds

Flop: ($4.25) T 3 9 (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $3</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $8.95 and is All-In</font>, Hero calls $5.95

[thing85]

Both hands, calling is spew imo. You don't have a hand, and the odds given to you are not good enough to try and draw to top pair.

I generally don't cbet when villain has &lt;10BB in his stack, but when I do cbet a short stack, I like a slightly smaller cbet.

Hand 1: I cbet $2.25 and fold to a raise.

Hand 2: Check/fold flop.

[JimboNYY24]

I think hand 2 is fine. They fold most of the time, and if not I think the odds are okay for a 6 outer. On top of that they don't even always have a pair when they do this, but that could be more villain dependant.

[vixticator]

No problem with either except calling push. First one is standard except that. In the second hald this is a board you are more likely to get shoved on, I'm torn on c-betting and checking and it really sucks to be OOP. Hard to give up on a big hand and just c/f... I think c-bet is fine. You need to of course fold to both pushes.

[thing85]

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They fold most of the time, and if not I think the odds are okay for a 6 outer.

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You're calling $6 in a $16 pot (~2.7 to 1). I don't think 6 outs gives you any +EV. Not to mention any K could complete a SD (less likely) and Ad or Kd could complete a flush draw (more likely). You can probably discount this to 4-5 outs. -EV imo.

[Daniel LeClaire]

Is calling in #1 that bad? I feel like A high is going to be the best hand there a lot and it's basically a min raise? I think I am calling to often in these spots though.

[Shattered]

I call hand 1 all day without a read. You have A high, you're getting over 3:1, and most shorties doesn't have a hand more than half the time on a board that dry.
Hand 2 I can check/fold. That board smacks any bad shortstacker's range hard.

[anthb7210p]

As played you gotta call both.

[mystro]

hand 1, I bet less, like ~$2, and fold to raise, unless I am convinced that villain will shove with air here. Also, I fold PF AT, but maybe I'm a nit.

hand 2, I am more willing to call against any villain who is not playing 18/13 type game... Many villains here are raising draws or overcards since there was no paint on the board and they feel they need to double up.
Actually, in hand 2, I probably bet pot on the flop against a non nit and call a shove. But really this would be read dependant, many players at these stakes go nuts when they're very short

[Daniel LeClaire]

Seems like the responses are pretty divided. I guess nobody knows how to handle these situations. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

I like c-betting in both hands because I think I still get folds a lot. In the first hand I think calling is okay. The second hand, maybe I should fold.