25NL strong bets against tptk

coordi · #1 06-13-2007, 02:44 AM

op was 25/14 over 250 hands. Seen him make a few bad calls but never had to show any bluffs. Every big pot hes been in, he had the goods. Is this the same hand/kq enough to call here?

edit: probly should have thrown a raise in there. playing position mabey Im required to call this down as I never tested him?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($23.85)
SB ($8.50)
BB ($24.80)
UTG ($97.65)
UTG+1 ($14.75)
MP1 ($19.70)
MP2 ($22.85)
Hero ($60.90)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises to $1, 3 folds, Hero calls $1, Button calls $1, 2 folds.

Flop: ($3.35) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG bets $2.25, Hero calls $2.25, Button folds.

Turn: ($7.85) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets $5, Hero calls $5.

River: ($17.85) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets $10, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $27.85

Johnes Benjamin · #2 06-13-2007, 03:18 AM

Yeah, good to get some info by playing back a little
25/14 looks pretty aggressive but some agg stats, especially on river, would be REALLY helpful here, as there are a lot of different ways people play loose PF.

I think I'd put a raise on turn but without any other info I'd probably fold river. He raised UTG and was agg all the way so he could just be representing AA or KK but I don't have good reason to say he doesn't, its not like people don't get those hands.
Plus, 10 into 17.85 on river seems like he wants to get paid by a Q but didn't hit a set or anything.
Really smells like KK and I'd fold.

22pajo · #3 06-13-2007, 04:25 AM

I tend to find a raise here somewhere.
Probably the flop.
He raises 14% of his hands preflop. That's a wide range. Just calling on the first 3 streets seems to be giving him too much credit for KK & AA.
Plus you have position. Raise this guy on the flop and re evaluate.
I can't help feeling this agro villain bet you out of this pot through sheer agression.

deflY · #4 06-13-2007, 08:38 AM

Raise flop (or turn). If called/raised, you have an easy fold.

Jeff76 · #5 06-13-2007, 08:49 AM

I don't understand raising the turn. If we're going to put in $15, why not at least give yourself the chance of catching a bluff? You are never folding out a better hand here, but at least if you call you are giving yourself the chance to get money from a worse hand.

MarcusT · #6 06-13-2007, 09:30 AM

Call river. You gave no reason for him to stop bluffing

Landlord79 · #7 06-13-2007, 09:36 AM

Call me a donk, but we've gone this far w/ the hand, is it smart to fold TPTK in this spot? His pf looks very aggro, what was his total AF? You played this very weakly and have no idea where you're at, definitely raise the flop and then when you get called and bet into on the turn you can make an easy fold.

Javanewt · #8 06-13-2007, 10:24 AM

I agree with Landlord79, why come this far and fold river. You have very little idea where you stand. I would have raised flop. As played, I might be a donk, too, but I'd call river.

Mazzinger · #9 06-13-2007, 11:47 AM

I agree. Why fold now? Might as well finish what you started. I'd call river.

effang · #10 06-13-2007, 11:50 AM

i think a fold is fine. i would have raised the flop, or min raised the turn (so i can check the river)