PokerStars: Allow Datamining

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figured out thanks to datamining?
STFU yourself when you don't know what you are talking about.

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You troglodyte, the chipdumping on Absolute was discovered because of dataminers. Not to mention the Full Tilt bots.

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did you ever had more than 1.000 hands for a single opponent? Dod you ever see some stats?

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Yes I have more than 1000 hands on several opponents. The stats I have on them don't tell me much. If they bet the river 60% of the time according to the stats you still don't know which hands they're betting. They could be bluffing the river a ton and checking behind a lot or they could be value betting extremely thin.

If you think datamined stats convey much of an advantage you're an idiot, end of story.

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Go sit in a casino and do your datamining. Oh thats right you cant do that so why online. Get a life you dont need someone to hold your hand while you play.

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You can't multitable in a casino so why online? They're not the same game. A different set of rules apply.

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Completely agree with the OP.

In fact, I'll take it a step further. Suppose Stars made it a policy that 1 year after a hand is played, the players' hole cards are made public?

[freecard4all]

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You troglodyte, the chipdumping on Absolute was discovered because of dataminers. Not to mention the Full Tilt bots.

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[censored] Am I the only one who see this??????
1) PS punish bots
2) PS don't allow datamining
3) FTP do allow datamining
4) FTP don't punish bots (do you remember what the reaction of FTP was like? Somewhat similar to AP but it wasn't a real issue.)


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Yes I have more than 1000 hands on several opponents. The stats I have on them don't tell me much.

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then learn reading or use a better sw.

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If they bet the river 60% of the time according to the stats you still don't know which hands they're betting. They could be bluffing the river a ton and checking behind a lot or they could be value betting extremely thin.

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[censored], are these pictures really so beyond your intelligence???

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People already datamine Stars and sell the HH. This is only encouraged by the ban of datamining.

[sethypooh21]

That HM screen shot looks nifty...

That said, those things take so long to converge that in a game with a sizeable player pool I'm really not sure how useful it would be.

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freecard4all, stop posting. You're not making any sense at all and you're embarrassing yourself. (It is somewhat entertaining, though.)

[freecard4all]

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That said, those things take so long to converge that in a game with a sizeable player pool I'm really not sure how useful it would be.

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with enough hands very useful.
And not counting what it could do with a conjunction with pokerstove or another program that can give you exact EV of your move.

Basically pokerstove and all you need to do in the SNG is guessing what the range of your opponent is.
Datamining and this can give it to you without single click.

This 2 sws and datamining together can kill the SNGs.

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My guess is the real reason stars stopped dataming isn't to prevent regs from the info, but to stop sites like sharkscope from posting the LOL lossrates of some fish

After all, even a winning player like myself doesn't like random joe blow knowing my EXACT winrate all the time...especialy when they randomly hit me up on tilt and are like, ZOMG WHY DID YOU HAVE SUCH A BAD YESTERDAY? are you the SUX NOW??

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and sethypooh21's comments
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A possible downside - wouldn't large scale datamining make building a better bot easier?

That said, I really don't care either way.

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highlight some downsides

I, especially, don't like it when people berate fish in the chat about their losses. I think the answer is to be more vigilant on banning chat of a-holes.

I think there are some trolls in this thread now.
I, personally, would hardly review the datamines. I sometimes review a winning player's stats to see how he wins. However, it seems to me that datamining has proven a very valuable tool in catching issues in the online poker community. We say Pstars doesn't have bots (or whatever), partly because no one has amassed the info to prove it. While I give Stars more credit than Tilt or, LOL, Party, it isn't the same wide open game. It's clear that botmakers already have ways to mine observed tables on stars. It's clear that a few are making a living selling datamined hands on stars. Why not allow the general player to see it all? Why not open it up? We deserve the chance to do our own audits! Without the poker communities' collected hand histories, we can only trust the site itself to be honest.



I want datamining for the simple fact that much of my play is at Stars, and I want it to be the most secure site on the net. Having datamining makes it more secure IMO.

[Bobo Fett]

Wow. I don't think I've seen so much incorrect information posted in such a short time before.

First of all, let me start by saying I don't play Stars much, and I don't datamine any site. I actually don't have a strong opinion on the subject, but I can see some points in favour.

Some points about datamining:

1) If you think players aren't already datamining Stars against the T & C's, you're kidding yourself. Allowing everyone to do so would even the playing field.

2) I'm not sure some of you understand how datamining works. It simply means you get the hand histories of tables you observe. You'd get to see the hands that went to showdowm but that's it. You don't see hole cards of people who folded earlier in the hand, you don't see uncalled winners. You get the same info as if you were sitting at the table and folded before the flop. That's it.

3) Whether you're in favor of datamining or not, Freecard, it's an undeniable fact that hand histories played a HUGE role in bringing down Absolute. I have to assume from your comments that you have not been following events that closely. Who can blame you? Some people have better things to do than read those threads all day.