5/10 live hand...top set monotone, gross spot

tuckercat · #1 10-01-2007, 06:32 PM

i don't normally post live hands, but this was actually kind of tough... 5/10 at caesars, this is normally the biggest game at caesars, and it's actually a pretty juicy game. a couple regular fish cakes with money, like "doc"... i don't know his name, but an older gentleman in his early 60's who doesn't have a clue, but has tons of money and enjoys socializing. the other villain in question is a crazy vietnamese guy who i've played 10/20 with at the bellagio a couple of times. he's super laggy, but more often than not makes good decisions and loves to gambool. effective stacks are 3k, although, doc covers both of us (he's bought in for 20k). two limpers, i'm in CO, i raise to $60 with TT, BTN (doc) calls, one limper (viet) calls. flop T74 all spades, viet checks, i bet $140, doc instantly makes it $500, viet tanks and shoves for ~$3k...action on me... doc says "i call" out of turn... hero??

smsam · #2 10-01-2007, 06:41 PM

~2-1 when doc calls and you are at least drawing to the nuts. call. neither players range is flush only

AAismyfriend · #3 10-01-2007, 06:46 PM

1.CALL
2.FILL UP
3.RAKE IN 9k POT YO

tuckercat · #4 10-01-2007, 06:50 PM

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1.CALL
2.FILL UP
3.RAKE IN 9k POT YO

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haha.

Black winter day · #5 10-01-2007, 06:51 PM

Even if one of them has a flush, you have enough equity to call and it's about neutral EV call.
This could easily be midset for doc/ AsT for LAG.

The worse scenario for you is made flush + set, as it takes away 2 of your outs.

Sick spot for sure being that deep.

As i reread the post, i am inclined to think that LAG has either smaller set or As+ pair and you said that Doc is clueless so he doesn't have to have a made flush yet.

It's not a fist pump call, but i call this.

AAismyfriend · #6 10-01-2007, 06:54 PM

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Even if one of them has a flush, you have enough equity to call and it's about neutral EV call.
This could easily by midset for doc/ AsT for LAG.

The worse scenario for you is made flush + set, as it takes away 2 of your outs.

Sick spot for sure being that deep.

As i reread the post, i am inclined to think that LAG has either smaller set or As+ pair and you said that Doc is clueless so he doesn't have to have a made flush yet.

It's not a fist pump call, but i call this.

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It's obviously not a fist pump call considering we expect to not be ahead here about 90% of the time, but given that we know doc is calling we really have no other option than to stick the money in.

Black winter day · #7 10-01-2007, 06:59 PM

The ugliest scenario for you

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

903 games 0.005 secs 180,600 games/sec

Board: Ts 7s 4s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 22.038% 22.04% 00.00% 199 0.00 { TdTh }
Hand 1: 04.319% 04.32% 00.00% 39 0.00 { 7d7h }
Hand 2: 73.643% 73.64% 00.00% 665 0.00 { 9s8s }

You need to call ~2800 to win ~6200 so you need over 31% equity to make a call.

You have it if the both have a made flush

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

903 games 0.005 secs 180,600 games/sec

Board: Ts 7s 4s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 33.333% 33.33% 00.00% 301 0.00 { TdTh }
Hand 1: 57.475% 57.48% 00.00% 519 0.00 { As5s }
Hand 2: 09.192% 09.19% 00.00% 83 0.00 { 9s8s }

Let's say this - if you are well rolled, you should call.
If losing few buyins might hurt your roll, fold, you are not giving up much equity anyway...

Black winter day · #8 10-01-2007, 07:03 PM

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Even if one of them has a flush, you have enough equity to call and it's about neutral EV call.
This could easily by midset for doc/ AsT for LAG.

The worse scenario for you is made flush + set, as it takes away 2 of your outs.

Sick spot for sure being that deep.

As i reread the post, i am inclined to think that LAG has either smaller set or As+ pair and you said that Doc is clueless so he doesn't have to have a made flush yet.

It's not a fist pump call, but i call this.

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It's obviously not a fist pump call considering we expect to not be ahead here about 90% of the time, but given that we know doc is calling we really have no other option than to stick the money in.

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Rethinking it after my first post, i reached a conclusion, that as clueless as he can be, he is exctatic to get 3 stacks in after such action to the point where he is instacalling out of turn...

I think he has a flush here very high % of time.

Hattifnatt · #9 10-01-2007, 07:04 PM

if docs call-word is binding I call quickly, otherwise I take some time before calling so he doesnt change his mind.

ChrisV · #10 10-02-2007, 02:00 AM

Pretty easy call I think, it looks like doc has a flush since he's dying to get his chips in, and the vietnamese LAG probably doesn't have 77 since he'd raise pf... true? so if they both have legit hands I think you're often looking at two flushes. But I think the vietnamese guy can easily have some stupid hand here, and there's also the fact that if you fold and they turn over 77 and As4h you're going to want to go and jump off the edge of Ghostbar.