Nuts on the river, deep

[TheWorstPlayer]

he's not going to look you up lightly on this board. you have to hope that he was drawing/trapping on the turn and that you can bust him up by c/r'ing on the river.

[PartyScout]

Lead flop,bet turn,CRAI river

[ahnuld]

if he has a medium club wouldnt I be more liekly to make money by leading? Is there some amount where he will raise the K or Q of clubs but call worse clubs?

[Imrahil]

No one folds Ax w/o a club here on the river. I'd rather just lead for 1/2 pot. He will probably call w/ a lot of aces, call w/ most clubs, raise the K of clubs, raise w/ a boat. Whereas if we check he may possibly turn his Ax into a bluff but will probably check a lot of clubs back.

[mustmuck]

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No one folds Ax w/o a club here on the river

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They don't?

[Imrahil]

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No one folds Ax w/o a club here on the river

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They don't?

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No cause they're retards.

But seriously, I find people will call w/ an A here a lot as a bluff catcher.

[aislephive]

Eh don't like c/r nearly as much as $250 or something.

[Requin]

What do you guys think is the worst hand villain vbets here if we check? I'd guess he vbets wider than he calls though, so I'd check, but I'm not sure about this. I seriously don't think you get paid on your CR often, I'd really just decide based on whether he vbets wider or calls wider.

I mean if you were bluffing on the turn it's almost always with a club, which if its high villain doesn't beat (considering only the interesting hands here, where villain doesn't have the NF and pay off since you get probably a bet there regardless) and if its low won't often turn itself into a bluff by betting, so when you bet the river can he really bluff catch with a medium club? He only beats total air that CRed on the turn or a 3 that decided to become a bluff, both rare, or maaaaaybe a low club vbetting which is also rare. However its possible I think that you CRed with a smaller club and are now checking, so he might vbet a bit wider than he calls.


If you think he calls any club I think this is a clear bet. And I think villain would have to be retarded to raise river with any flush.