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View Poll Results: HOW FAT IS U
REAL FAT 15 4.09%
130-150lbs overweight 12 3.27%
110-130lbs 6 1.63%
90-110lbs 4 1.09%
70-90lbs 4 1.09%
60-70lbs 2 0.54%
50-60lbs 5 1.36%
40-50lbs 12 3.27%
30-40lbs 20 5.45%
20-30lbs 29 7.90%
10-20lbs 54 14.71%
0-10lbs 66 17.98%
im in shape (lie) 84 22.89%
. 9 2.45%
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Old 11-02-2007, 12:05 AM
kevin017 kevin017 is offline
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i think i misunderstood at first but get it now.

So you're saying, Fred can solve the easiest 80% of problems, 100% of the time every time, but he can never solve the hardest 20%.

Ginger has a 50% chance at solving anything, no matter how hard.

Given that, ginger is smarter and its not close.
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Old 11-02-2007, 12:25 AM
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i think i misunderstood at first but get it now.

So you're saying, Fred can solve the easiest 80% of problems, 100% of the time every time, but he can never solve the hardest 20%.

Ginger has a 50% chance at solving anything, no matter how hard.

Given that, ginger is smarter and its not close.

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I doubt many people would call someone stupid just because they cant do differential equations. However, if they cant even add single-digit integers?
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Old 11-02-2007, 12:47 AM
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i think i misunderstood at first but get it now.

So you're saying, Fred can solve the easiest 80% of problems, 100% of the time every time, but he can never solve the hardest 20%.

Ginger has a 50% chance at solving anything, no matter how hard.

Given that, ginger is smarter and its not close.

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does not compute. If she's wrong 50% of the time and can never distinguish when she's wrong, I don't see how she can be smarter.

50% of the time she is always wrong and has not ability to distinguish what she right about, what her strengths are, etc.

She's a nightmare.
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Old 11-02-2007, 12:49 AM
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Ginger. Ginger is the one that has the courage to take the risks to have real experiences. So she has a better life than Fred. Life really isn't about being rational all the time.

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Would you be so kind as to go to the SSNL 6 max thread and give some analysis on some hands posted. I thinks that forum could use some laughs.

Your contributions could be legendary.
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Old 11-02-2007, 01:29 AM
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i think i misunderstood at first but get it now.

So you're saying, Fred can solve the easiest 80% of problems, 100% of the time every time, but he can never solve the hardest 20%.

Ginger has a 50% chance at solving anything, no matter how hard.

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That's correct.

To clarify, Ginger can't just repeat until she gets the correct answer. Once she gets it wrong, she will never get it right.

Another clarification - this is a matter of problem solving (and generally a matter of analytical tasks). There's nothing preventing Ginger from completing ordinary tasks in a rote way. Most importantly (wrt this discussion), Ginger can communicate with other people. I won't go into concerns of Ginger's lifestyle, that's beyond the scope of the thread - the important thing is that while she can't tell when she's right, other people are able to do so.

So if she tries to tackle the Millenium Prize Problems, she won't know which ones she got right, but it should be apparent to any competent mathematician who sees her work that she solved 3 of the problems (on average).
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Old 11-02-2007, 01:41 AM
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^^ Yes, I had assumed that also, both that if she got something wrong she couldn't just keep attempting it until she got it right, and also that if she did get something right that she should be able to explain her solution to others who can confirm that she is correct.
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Old 11-02-2007, 03:15 AM
David Sklansky David Sklansky is offline
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Ginger is an impossibility.

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So is Fred. Anyone who can do math questions up to differential equations perfectly, is not going to all of a sudden hit a wall if he tackles harder subjects. Especially since most, if not all, math problems can eventually be broken down into simple logic.
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Old 11-02-2007, 12:05 PM
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Especially since most, if not all, math problems can eventually be broken down into simple logic.

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Not true, not even close unless you mean by exhaustive search (which no human can do) and even then its not true.

chez
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Old 11-02-2007, 12:13 PM
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Ginger is a genius.
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Old 11-02-2007, 01:12 PM
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Ginger is useless because you can never know if she is right, unless you know the answer from before. Fred is useless after a certain point, but what he does know you can take for face value.

(like People have said before me, I know)

This sounds like a clever version of belief vs logic debate. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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