The Sexiness of a Lag - Little Theory/Article Xposted

[Shizzle12345]

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ROFL Slider you don't have a clue

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Always nice to see such well argumented posts.

@Wolfram: thats the point, at the turn you have huge fold equity. If you do it with nice draws, you got decent pot equity too. Also you gotta do it when you are deeper. AND it helps balancing your range. If you only C/shove turns with huge hands then it becomes pretty much snap fold for villains who pay attention. Someone who executes this well is really tough to play against.

[Paul Thomson]

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Mystery Method ftw

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Your right that the trick to applying these tactics is to use them in the correct situations. For example,

BLUFF CHECK RAISE a CB
A good way of applying this tactic is to check-raise all Ace high flops when a LAG opponent has opened, since 99% of Villains at this level will only call a check-raise on the flop with TP or better. And Aces will make up a small portion of his range.

For example, a Villain opens to $7 from the Button with a 30% range. (22+,A2s+,KTs+,Q9s+,J8s+,T7s+,96s+,85s+,74s+,63s+, 53s+,43s,ATo+,KQo,QJo,JTo,T9o,98o,87o,76o,65o,54o)

Hero calls from the BB with XX.

FLOP ($15) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Hero checks. Villain bets $12. Hero raises to $36 with ATC (that are not a made hand).

Is this play +EV, if Villain calls with TP or better?

We are risking $37 to win $27. We are getting 27:36 or 3:4 on our bluff. Therefore, our bluff has to be successful 57% of the time to be +EV.

Villain will have TP or better on this board roughly 33% of the time. Therefore, our bluff should succeed ~66% of the time and be +EV.

Additional thoughts
VILLAIN'S RANGE:
Villain in this hand will open 30% of his cards from the button. It's important to play with Villain's ranges and see how often he can continue on various boards.

BET SIZING:
You might notice that our check-raise was only 3x the size of the Villain's bet or less than a pot size raise. It makes sense to make your bluff sizes on this board smaller, since a larger bluff size isn't likely to have any additional FE against most villains.

Hero's Hand:
In the example, we showed that Hero's play is +EV with any two cards. However, you can increase your EV when you do this as a semi-bluff. For example, this is a good place to bluff when holding 76s, since you'll have a gut shot which will have good equity against Villain's calling range of your bluff.

DON'T MISAPPLY:
Although it's good to check-raise with air or a gut shot, you shouldn't be check-raising with A2s, since the Villain won't be calling with worse.

[Learning]

Good example Paul.

[carrotsnake]

Paul, so do you balance your range at all then ?

[Paul Thomson]

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Paul, so do you balance your range at all then ?

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Short answer, yes. Balancing issues was beyond the scope of my post. Even more important than balancing which most Villain's won't pay attention to at this level, is taking into consideration how your opponents will adjust to your aggression. Both of these metagame factors need to also be considered.

[DaycareInferno]

i agree with all of that stuff, but W$WSF isn't only a product of situational awareness and pushing edges. i mean, the shittier your hand is, the more viable an option bluffing becomes, so of course looser players will naturally be better in that department. if you had a really tight starting range, a W$WSF beyond a certain point would probably mean that you were actually burning up some of your showdown value.

[terp]

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[ikestoys]

wait, so high win a showdown is a fad now? I started this awhile ago then, and wish to receive proper credit.

lol

[Ajahn]

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wait, so high win a showdown is a fad now? I started this awhile ago then, and wish to receive proper credit.

lol

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It's not win at showdown, it's win % when seen a flop.

[ikestoys]

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