Stars 4/180 - JJ in early position, facing the A on the flop

[Tackleberry]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP3 (t2910)
CO (t4805)
Button (t3970)
SB (t3715)
BB (t865)
Hero (t2330)
UTG+1 (t2235)
MP1 (t900)
MP2 (t1385)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t150</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t250</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero calls t100.

Flop: (t575) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets t250</font>, Hero ??

No real reads on Villain, because I joined the table just a couple of hands before.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks, Tackleberry.

[sapsuckah]

I'd just let this go and move on the the next hand. While it's hard to put a good range around minraising 4/180 donks, you're behind most of his probable range. You're beating TT here and getting crushed by pretty much everything else.

[Solanthos]

Min-three-bet on preflop and then bets when you check. I kinda think maybe you should have put a feeler/blocking bet out there to see what happened, like 200-250ish... just like he did.

Instead, you check. Now you're OOP with no idea where you are in the hand... I fold here. Even if he's LAG he's probably 3-betting with at least a suited ace.

[Brandonjp13]

I just fold here, the upside in the hand the way it's played out isn't very big, your not likely stacking off anyone who your ahead of. I do however lead out the flop with a feeler bet incase someone played KK or QQ and now panics at the call + A on the flop.

[scottywhen333]

No one else thinks leading this flop is total spew? Sure, there's a small chance he has exactly KK/QQ and the one card they're scared of gets them out, but....is the plan to just fold to any raise, and check/fold the turn unless you spike the 2-outer? I think this hand is perfect as played, assuming you folded the flop.

[ThePershore]

Just c/f the flop, leading the flop is bad.

[Tackleberry]

I folded, but was not sure. Thanks for the answers!

[BarryLyndon]

Raise to 350 and purge for the sins of 1 million donkament players.

Barry

[Dunkman]

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No one else thinks leading this flop is total spew? Sure, there's a small chance he has exactly KK/QQ and the one card they're scared of gets them out, but....is the plan to just fold to any raise, and check/fold the turn unless you spike the 2-outer? I think this hand is perfect as played, assuming you folded the flop.

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The main value you get out of betting the flop is to prevent getting bluffed out by villain (I guess the bet may get called by TT.) I'm not even sure you fold out better hands, I guess you may occasionally. However, I think a simple c/f is better here.

[BarryLyndon]

ok, yeah, this is an easy question, btw, I call preflop, and then I c/f the flop. I don't really see what the problem is here, Tack. Early on, you need to avoid nonsense like this.

There is an argument for folding preflop that goes to reverse implied odds. Here, I think that JJ is about equal to 33. As long as you acknowledge that and don't get carried away post flop, I think that calling pre is fine.
Question is: What does getting carried away post flop mean on a dry board? Call on street and then fold?

Barry