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09-30-2007, 07:43 PM
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NL50: KK oop, A hits river but flush draw misses
Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 8 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)
SB: $17.90 BB: $39.70 UTG: $6.30 UTG+1: $51.80 Hero (MP1): $75.45 MP2: $38.55 CO: $28.20 BTN: $49.25 Reads: <font color="blue">Villan is 35/13/2 over 100 hands. I checked the river planning to call a missed flush draw bluff -- though his bet was bigger than I expected. I have to follow through with the call, right?</font> Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (8 Players) 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.75</font>, MP2 folds, CO calls $1.75, 3 folds Flop: ($4.25) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">Hero bets $3.50</font>, CO calls $3.50 Turn: ($11.25) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">Hero bets $5.50</font>, CO calls $5.50 River: ($22.25) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players) Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $15.00</font>, Hero ?? 
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#3
09-30-2007, 11:21 PM
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Re: NL50: KK oop, A hits river but flush draw misses
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Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 8 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter) SB: $17.90 BB: $39.70 UTG: $6.30 UTG+1: $51.80 Hero (MP1): $75.45 MP2: $38.55 CO: $28.20 BTN: $49.25 Reads: <font color="blue">Villan is 35/13/2 over 100 hands. I checked the river planning to call a missed flush draw bluff -- though his bet was bigger than I expected. I have to follow through with the call, right?</font> Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (8 Players) 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.75</font>, MP2 folds, CO calls $1.75, 3 folds Flop: ($4.25) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">Hero bets $3.50</font>, CO calls $3.50 Turn: ($11.25) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">Hero bets $5.50</font>, CO calls $5.50 River: ($22.25) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players) Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $15.00</font>, Hero ?? [/ QUOTE ] What size bet were you expecting in a $22 pot?
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#4
09-30-2007, 11:23 PM
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Re: NL50: KK oop, A hits river but flush draw misses
I think you have to call here. The bet is a good bet, about 2/3 the size of the pot, so it's either a great value bet or a good bluff. It's very possible that the player is just trying to salvage his missed flush by betting the river, or he could have missed his flush draw but hit his ace high and think that is good too after your check.
By checking on the river you are asking the opponent to bluff in my opinion, but not much you can do out of position. If he hit his ace I'm paying him off here.
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#6
09-30-2007, 11:35 PM
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Re: NL50: KK oop, A hits river but flush draw misses
I usually fold here because the A gives him a lot of 2 pairs and top pair with a lot of his flush draws that he is now betting for value. This is a pretty good OP though compared to many of the hands posted.
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#7
10-01-2007, 12:04 AM
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Re: NL50: KK oop, A hits river but flush draw misses
I really can't find a fold here specially against a loose villain. He knows he wins pots by being agressive, so you have to call here. I think you should have tried a blocking bet of about half pot, if he made a big raise you could fold.
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#8
10-01-2007, 12:12 AM
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Re: NL50: KK oop, A hits river but flush draw misses
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This is a pretty good OP though compared to many of the hands posted. [/ QUOTE ] Thanks CDL, I was hoping it would generate some discussion and really the opinions vary greatly so far. [ QUOTE ] I think you should have tried a blocking bet of about half pot, if he made a big raise you could fold. [/ QUOTE ] I considered this, but I don't think I'd fold out any hands and if I'm expecting to call, I'd rather give him the opportunity to bluff as well for the same or a similar price.
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#9
10-01-2007, 12:14 AM
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Re: NL50: KK oop, A hits river but flush draw misses
Now some of my thoughts.
If we were in position, I would probably find a fold here. However, I would think even pairing up his A or hitting 2 pair would result in him just wanting a cheap showdown to win the pot.
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#10
10-01-2007, 12:19 AM
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Re: NL50: KK oop, A hits river but flush draw misses
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Now some of my thoughts. If we were in position, I would probably find a fold here. However, I would think even pairing up his A or hitting 2 pair would result in him just wanting a cheap showdown to win the pot. [/ QUOTE ] If you don't think he'll bet an A, much less 2 pair here then you need to call imo.
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