Do u peel here?

Gib · #1 11-20-2007, 08:29 PM

villain Tagish

$5/$10 Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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Preflop: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, CO folds, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, BB folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (7.00 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero?

peel & re-eval? If so what turn cards are u folding?

Oink · #2 11-20-2007, 08:35 PM

Against a standard TAG my play here is to call call and fold if he bets again.

Tho I am tempted to call river if no more broadways comes of. The problem is that ABC TAGs usually give up at least on the river

Gib · #3 11-20-2007, 08:40 PM

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Against a standard TAG my play here is to call call and fold if he bets again.

Tho I am tempted to call river if no more broadways comes of. The problem is that ABC TAGs usually give up at least on the river

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Yeah this is my usual line as well, I wasn't too sure if I was bleeding chips doing it or not.

Pretty much against these types i think well if he checks the river I'm fine.

Oink · #4 11-20-2007, 08:42 PM

Oh, I am folding a K turn. Maybe I should also fold a Q turn.

Gib · #5 11-20-2007, 08:46 PM

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Oh, I am folding a K turn. Maybe I should also fold a Q turn.

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What bout a J? I find that one a bit tricky cause KQ may fire again?

Oink · #6 11-20-2007, 08:48 PM

I guess its a bit the same with a Q. I dont really know. Should stove it

acehole60 · #7 11-20-2007, 08:49 PM

I too fold if a Q or K comes off. I don't think I fold the river unless I know my opponent pretty well.

ILOVEPOKER929 · #8 11-20-2007, 09:11 PM

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Oh, I am folding a K turn. Maybe I should also fold a Q turn.

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I think if we peel the flop against a typical tag we should fold all turns unless we improve to a set or a draw. One could argue that we should then fold the flop since we dont have the odds to peel/fold, but a flop peel on this particular board still stops most typical tags from betting a hand like JT/QJ/KQ on the turn so peeling the flop to see what our opponent does on the turn has validity.

I think the play here is very close between folding the flop outright and peeling the flop and folding the turn UI. Calling the turn UI against a typical tag is a losing play IMO.

MacGuyV · #9 11-20-2007, 09:39 PM

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Oh, I am folding a K turn. Maybe I should also fold a Q turn.

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I think if we peel the flop against a typical tag we should fold all turns unless we improve to a set or a draw. One could argue that we should then fold the flop since we dont have the odds to peel/fold, but a flop peel on this particular board still stops most typical tags from betting a hand like JT/QJ/KQ on the turn so peeling the flop to see what our opponent does on the turn has validity.

I think the play here is very close between folding the flop outright and peeling the flop and folding the turn UI. Calling the turn UI against a typical tag is a losing play IMO.

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The bolded part is tough to generalize one way or the other but on the whole I don't really agree. If you're going to peel you can't not see the river imo as too many guys just blindly 2barrell everything. But if you're going to do that it seems like just raising is better. I don't have a problem with mucking this on the flop.

acehole60 · #10 11-20-2007, 09:42 PM

I defintely think it is _way_ too weak to fold the flop. If we think that he'll fire his entire range on the flop and give up with everything we beat on the turn it is an easy call flop, fold turn.

I see a lot of people fire at least two barrells here though, so I think a better line is to call flop and turn and fold river (depending on how aggro he is - if he's very aggro I'll call river too).