3-ball the turn with bottom 2 multiway?

[jr4284]

MP is a TAG who's overaggressive in spots, 21/18/2.2, but still a decent player.
SB is a maniac, running 62/55 and just as aggressive post flop. He 100% is on a straight or flush draw IMO.

Is this an easy bet? Tough bet? Easy call?

Full Tilt 2/4 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (8 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, CO folds, SB calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP calls, SB calls.

Turn: (7 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, SB calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>...

[larm]

I think i call down from the turn reraise, at best the 3-bet is a valuebet against qj,kq,aq. I think this is a spot with a lot of reversed implied odds.

[Leader]

<pre>Results from http:\\www.HoldEmRanger.com
2,992 evaluations, 68 hole card combos

Board: Th 5h 7d Qc

Wins Ties Equity
68.94% 0.00% 68.94% ( 7c5c )
31.06% 0.00% 31.06% ( QQ+(75),TT(50),77(50),55(50),AQs,KQs,QTs+,Q9s(40), AQo,KQo,QJo(60),QTo(10) ) </pre>

I think it's good

edit: I kind of forgot about SB, but he just seems like more of a reason to 3-bet.

[sweetjazz]

MP is usually going to 3bet the flop with a set or QT on this flop. You have a lot of equity and are getting 2-to-1 on each bet that goes in, so this is an easy 3bet in my opinion.

Now spike the 7h on the river and drag a huge pot.

[jr4284]

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Now spike the 7h on the river and drag a huge pot.

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Pyschic bastid... exact river, and oh boy robusto. A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Still was questioning the turn 3-bet tho, regardless of results.

[Leader]

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MP is usually going to 3bet the flop with a set or QT on this flop. You have a lot of equity and are getting 2-to-1 on each bet that goes in, so this is an easy 3bet in my opinion.

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How much would you discount the set combos here. I made them 50%. Maybe like 20?

[sweetjazz]

The fact that it's a good idea to fastplay a set on this flop plus the fact that the TAG is overaggressive causes me to discount sets to close to 0% at this point (maybe 10-20%?). Now if he caps the turn, I reassess and weight sets or QT much more heavily. But I'm weighting his hand to AQ/KQ/QJ very heavily.

Overpairs and sets don't just flat call the flop and wait for the turn very often. There was just a thread about infrequently situations arise for that play. While waiting for the turn to raise with an overpair or set here wouldn't be awful, it's not a particularly good play in this spot and certainly something that I would be very surprised to see.

And realistically it doesn't matter because your equity is so good and you're getting 2-to-1 on your money. You can weight sets and overpairs heavily and you still have a (much thinner) value raise.