my cards get mucked, standard?

popeye18 · #1 11-08-2007, 10:22 PM

So last night im playing at this game, more like a club than a home game. First the table is one of those with the wood around the rim for chip stacks. I hate putting my cards on that cause its so hard to lift them up to look at them so i keep them out front on the felt. Im utg and make a raise. There are like 4 callers and then the bb mucks. when he does he throws them into my cards. The dealer says that my hand is mucked. Im kinda shocked as i had kk and never had this happen to me before.

I just decided to let it go as most of the players agreed that my hand was mucked and i needed to keep a chip on top or place them closer to me. Is this standard?

psandman · #2 11-08-2007, 10:40 PM

[ QUOTE ]
So last night im playing at this game, more like a club than a home game. First the table is one of those with the wood around the rim for chip stacks. I hate putting my cards on that cause its so hard to lift them up to look at them so i keep them out front on the felt. Im utg and make a raise. There are like 4 callers and then the bb mucks. when he does he throws them into my cards. The dealer says that my hand is mucked. Im kinda shocked as i had kk and never had this happen to me before.

I just decided to let it go as most of the players agreed that my hand was mucked and i needed to keep a chip on top or place them closer to me. Is this standard?

[/ QUOTE ]

Thats standard and correct assuming that the cards were mixed. Some People think merely touching is enough to kill a hand, but if there is no risk of confusion as to which cards belonged to who there is no reason for a hand to be killed.

Zagga · #3 11-08-2007, 10:41 PM

absolutely not. I would be so frikking pissed if they try this [censored] on me that I would leave and never come back to that [censored]. If you start a big debate on how you want to stay in the hand you reveal the strength of your had wich is bad anyway, so you losing so much money just because some idiot can't trow his hand away properly would never have to mean youd hand is mucked

Lolo K Juik · #4 11-08-2007, 11:53 PM

Use a card cover. It is your responsibility to protect your cards. While many times the mucked cards can be separated, you don't want to rely on that.

Taso · #5 11-09-2007, 02:10 AM

Even with a card protector, if someone slides his cards into yours, they can still be mixed up.

pfapfap · #6 11-09-2007, 11:45 AM

Okay, so, even if they can get mixed up, it's much less likely. I may get crushed by a falling piano, but I'm still going to wear a seatbelt.

Unless the cards were easily identifiable from the backs of them, the hand is dead. It's unfortunate, but reality. And in some places, even if you can tell which is which, still a dead hand. This happens by mistake all the time.

Rule #1 is Protect Your Hand. This manifests in many ways, but putting a chip on them to protect them is top among them.

chillrob · #7 11-09-2007, 12:14 PM

I think it is standard, but also the BB should be at the least severely warned. If he ever does anything like this again (not just the same night, but any night), he should be punished, up to being banned from the game.

psandman · #8 11-09-2007, 12:53 PM

[ QUOTE ]
I think it is standard, but also the BB should be at the least severely warned. If he ever does anything like this again (not just the same night, but any night), he should be punished, up to being banned from the game.

[/ QUOTE ]

Are you assuming this was intentional, because I sort of assumed it was an accident.

Merton0806 · #9 11-09-2007, 12:59 PM

i was dealing (and playing) at a poker tourney yesterday when 2 players went to the flop and i was gathering all folded hands. i accidently collected one active players cards and he pointed this out to me. i decided the best course of action was for him to whisper me his cards ( he is good player therefore can remember the suit(s)

) and he whispered AdQd ( which bore no relevence to the flop)and in the pile of folded cards AdQd were next to eachother. so i gave him them. everyone seemed happy with the way it was handled but i wasnt sure if it was the "correct" way. ruling plz?

JDesab · #10 11-09-2007, 03:05 PM

[ QUOTE ]
O

Rule #1 is Protect Your Hand. This manifests in many ways, but putting a chip on them to protect them is top among them.

[/ QUOTE ]

no, the best way to protect your hand, and what i do until all preflop betting is complete, is to keep your hand on your cards. whether it be three fingers on the felt in front of the cards and my thumb behind it ... or my fingers over half of my card (allowing the table to see i have cards).

this has been my practice ever since i had a hand killed in a similar way that OP describes. when the action gets to me i can quickly check my hand... then i put a chip on top of my cards if i choose not to muck.

the highest probability of your hand being hit by mucked cards is during the preflop round of betting.