NL50: Is this the spot to go broke with TPTK against a TAG?

[frostbrn]

Villain is 17/14/4 over 330 hands. I'm making my decision on the flop as to whether or not I'm taking it to the felt, I only called because I wanted him to put more money in and commit himself on the turn. Does anybody not get it in here?

Thanks!

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($89.80)
UTG ($22.95)
Hero ($49.25)
Button ($18.45)
SB ($48.75)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls $1.50.

Flop: ($4.25) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $9</font>, Hero calls $6.

Turn: ($22.25) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $14</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $38.25</font>, BB calls $24.25.

River: ($98.75) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: $98.75

[n4rf]

He's shown a lot of strength and I would fold this. I don't think you'll see KQ or QJ here, what do you beat?

[thing85]

I really don't like this play. Villain seems to be a solid player and I can really only see you tied with him at best. While KQ is possible, I don't think villain calls your all-in with anything less than AQ. It looks more like A4s.

Think about it: You've clearly shown strength (you called his c/r on the flop, so he knows you have at least a Q, if not AA or KK). There are no draws. And yet, he fires at you again on the turn. Again, I don't think he calls your all-in with anything less than AQ.

It seems like you've played several hands with villain, so if it seems like he's tilting or he's seen you be overaggressive recently, there is a slight chance he would play KQ like this.

[frostbrn]

Yeah, I guess I have seen too many of these TAGs c/r'ing me OOP with air a lot lately, and that kind of clouded my judgment a bit and I paid off quadzilla here.

[Kasane]

I don't think you played it badly at all. Now, normally, this line against a TAG is pretty lousy, but your tag isn't flat calling with QQ+ pf, nor many 4x hands. A4s/suited connector 4 maaaaaybe, and that's barely enough to make this a thunker -- well, that and the super monster he ended up having. I've seen tags misplay hands as often.

Answer, yes, I think this is one of those rare cases where you can comfortably go broke against a tag with bare TPTK.

I'd like it better if you didn't post that BB called. I'm trying to imagine this hand without seeing that in there, but it's hard.

[creamfillin]

I don't think many tags are leading this turn with anything you beat very often.