Various Ruling Questions Please

[oscark]

1. On the flop, player 1 bets 15, player 2 raises to 45, player 3 says "call", player 4 folds. It then becomes clear player 3 did not hear the raise to 45 and was only calling the 15. Player 4 states he folded only because player 3 called, otherwise he would have called. What is player 3 obligated if anything to do?

2. In a cash game, when all players are all in prior to the river, is it generally accepted players are only required to turn their cards over if they choose?

3. In a cash game, can a player choose to show his cards to the entire table while in the hand and players not all in? On the same note, can a player turn over his cards while deciding whether to call an all in of another player?

4. In a tournament, if a player turns over his cards on the flop because he mistakingly believes his opponent is all in, what is the ruling?

Thanks,

Oscar

[psandman]

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In a cash game, can a player choose to show his cards to the entire table while in the hand and players not all in? On the same note, can a player turn over his cards while deciding whether to call an all in of another player?

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This is acceptable if the action is heads up or the players action will close out the action.

[ChimneyImp]

For 1, the player who stated "call" should be held to the call, and the same to the player who said they were folding. Verbal actions are binding.

[jjshabado]

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For 1, the player who stated "call" should be held to the call, and the same to the player who said they were folding. Verbal actions are binding.

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Anything other than this would be horrible for the game.

[jjshabado]

2. Thats the rule I like and is the general casino rule. Some home games say you have to show.

3. Already covered

4. I would rule that his hand is still live, but I don't what the actual ruling would be.

[ChimneyImp]

2's kind of a weird one. You don't HAVE to show, if you don't want to, but since there's an all-in, you're definitely going to showdown, and once you make it to showdown, you have to show your hand if any of the other players request it.

[jjshabado]

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2's kind of a weird one. You don't HAVE to show, if you don't want to, but since there's an all-in, you're definitely going to showdown, and once you make it to showdown, you have to show your hand if any of the other players request it.

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Right, but players won't be requesting to see your hand that often.

[ChimneyImp]

Good ones will, every time.

[pa3lsvt]

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For 1, the player who stated "call" should be held to the call, and the same to the player who said they were folding. Verbal actions are binding.

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If he 'grossly' misunderstood the size of the bet, he can be allowed to change his action. Not clear is $30 falls under 'gross misunderstanding'. Probably not IMHO.

That said, once player 4 folds he's held to his call because action has occurred behind him.

[jjshabado]

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Good ones will, every time.

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Really? We have different opinions of good.