QUIZ: (possibly helpful to noobs)

[goofyballer]

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43,AK,JJ,98,77

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qft

[cs3]

1) 34
2) AK
3) 89
4) JJ
5) 77

basically 77 is the worst hand to shove because you have sd value vs a light 3 bettor, but there are very few better hands that will fold, and you have very little equity when called.

JJ youre only shoving to protect against a 6 outer, so calling and giving villain a chance to double barrel may be better.

34, 89, and AK all have no sd value and cant stand a turn bet unimproved, but have decent equity if we shove and are called.
(edit- oops 89 not 78... might make shoving 89 worse than JJ but definitely still better than 77)

[Fonkey123]

Meh, this quit is [censored] without any reads.

Standard 2p2'ers calling range with JJ has us murdered on this flop though.

[retep]

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Meh, this quit is [censored] without any reads.

Standard 2p2'ers calling range with JJ has us murdered on this flop though.

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Not necessarily. The OP says the villain plays good, knows we play good, and knows we know he plays good. OP also claims that he 3 bets lite.

Once the flop comes T high and we shove over him, with all the info given, I see the 2p2 calling the all in with hands like 88, 99, AT. Therefore I still think having the JJ is probably best.

[Rollos]

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Meh, this quit is [censored] without any reads.

Standard 2p2'ers calling range with JJ has us murdered on this flop though.

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Not necessarily. The OP says the villain plays good, knows we play good, and knows we know he plays good. OP also claims that he 3 bets lite.

Once the flop comes T high and we shove over him, with all the info given, I see the 2p2 calling the all in with hands like 88, 99, AT. Therefore I still think having the JJ is probably best.

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No way a good 2p2er is calling with those hands. His calling range is sets and JJ+, maybe AK if he is frustrated.

[whorasaurus]

A,C,B,D,E
or
JJ; 34; AK; 89; 77

[EddieRooo]

vs his likely calling range (given that you have shoved)

1. 43s (8 outs vs his calling range)
2. AK (good vs the lower end of his range QQ/JJ etc)
3. JJ (gets better the lighter he will stack off ie if he stacks off with Tx)
4. 89 (yuck, but at least you have 4 outs vs the top of his range, the tighter he stacks off postflop the better this gets in comparison to JJ)
5. 77 (2 outs vs almost his entire range, bar like 78 which everyone other hands beats (and won't likely call anyway))

[Jamougha]

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Meh, this quit is [censored] without any reads.

Standard 2p2'ers calling range with JJ has us murdered on this flop though.

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Not necessarily. The OP says the villain plays good, knows we play good, and knows we know he plays good. OP also claims that he 3 bets lite.

Once the flop comes T high and we shove over him, with all the info given, I see the 2p2 calling the all in with hands like 88, 99, AT. Therefore I still think having the JJ is probably best.

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No way a good 2p2er is calling with those hands. His calling range is sets and JJ+, maybe AK if he is frustrated.

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LMAO

[Noam Chomsky]

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Meh, this quit is [censored] without any reads.

Standard 2p2'ers calling range with JJ has us murdered on this flop though.

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Not necessarily. The OP says the villain plays good, knows we play good, and knows we know he plays good. OP also claims that he 3 bets lite.

Once the flop comes T high and we shove over him, with all the info given, I see the 2p2 calling the all in with hands like 88, 99, AT. Therefore I still think having the JJ is probably best.

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No way a good 2p2er is calling with those hands. His calling range is sets and JJ+, maybe AK if he is frustrated.

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you're wrong.

[Suigin406]

hopefully i didn't get this all wrong...

JJ
43
89
AK
77