Turn fold

shadow. · #1 01-03-2007, 11:42 PM

Full Tilt Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $5/$10
6 players
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Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG calls, Hero raises, CO calls, SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (8.5SB, 5 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, CO raises, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero 3-bets, CO calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (10.25BB, 5 players)
BB bets, UTG folds, Hero raises, CO folds, BB 3-bets, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: 1BB returned to BB.

River: : (15.25BB, 2 players)

Results:
Final pot: 14.25BB

villain is 53/22/1.5,2.8,1.0 with a 7.1% c/r and a 34 WTSD over 122 hands. i haven't been paying attn because 5/10 is boring and wreaking havoc on 2p2 is much more entertaining.

jba · #2 01-04-2007, 12:25 AM

raising the turn makes no sense at all to me. most of co's range you have beat, he'll call one but not two, you probably have him drawing to 2-3 outs. BB cold calls and then leads when an open ender hit, after you show all this strength. I think you're a dog here honestly, just call down.

Gib · #3 01-04-2007, 12:46 AM

BB's cold-call on the flop & turn donk looks a bit suss.
I'm not a big fan of the r/f line on a big street so I tend to take a call & see approach here.

bobhalford · #4 01-04-2007, 01:09 AM

I'd just call this down. He's donking the turn into what clearly appears to be a QQ+ hand in addition to two other players. You might convince yourself that his line is so strong that you could just fold the turn right there. But getting 11-1, you have 4 speculative outs that you can conceive of, so c>f>r.

Kwaz · #5 01-04-2007, 01:17 AM

You didn't fold and you should have cut the action before your turn raise.

shadow. · #6 01-04-2007, 01:32 AM

eh? i did fold. i thought it was a pretty obv t9.

why should i cut off the action?

i think if i call turn, river i'm almost certianly losing at sd. if i raise and get called then i'm winning a lot more. if i get raised, then i have an ez fold.

holla.

jstill · #7 01-04-2007, 01:49 AM

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i think if i call turn, river i'm almost certianly losing at sd. if i raise and get called then i'm winning a lot more. if i get raised, then i have an ez fold.

holla.

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fold is kinda easy since he cold called the flop and bet 3bet the turn its either 10 9 a set or a flopped two pair that chose not to cap the flop for some reason. The majority of this range has u drawing dead but ur thought process above doesnt make much sense

i dont understand how u lose more often calling down than if u raise? i know what ur trying to get at but its kind of a stupid way to think about the hand and think that this skewed fact makes raising somehow better. u win this pot the same % of the time really if u call down as if u raise (if anything less since u fold with outs vs some 2 pair hands)not only that but u dont win any more bets most likely when u raise and ur hand is good since uve knocked out the third player who is likely drawing somewhat thin.

if u think calling down here is a losing play and ur toast at showdown very often raising certainly cant be better here.

Kwaz · #8 01-04-2007, 02:04 AM

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eh? i did fold. i thought it was a pretty obv t9.

why should i cut off the action?

i think if i call turn, river i'm almost certianly losing at sd. if i raise and get called then i'm winning a lot more. if i get raised, then i have an ez fold.

holla.

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What range did you give him when he bet the turn?

bbbushu · #9 01-04-2007, 03:22 AM

i think villain would need to be the type to bet two hearts, here for our raise to be okay. calling down might be better although i can see how a raise would help get HU by knocking out CO so i can see why i might do it in the heat of battle.

i'm sure we're behind but at 1/2, i call down [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

bbbushu

LimitGod · #10 01-04-2007, 04:47 AM

you put in two bets on the turn to determine you are behind when you could just call down for those same 2 bets and get to a showdown.