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11-11-2006, 01:13 PM
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Raised on river, is this a fold?
Hand history is unclear, I have to edit it because it's from a boss site. It's 4 handed and I can't find what read I had on this villain (site is a bit messy), so he's unknown atm. I'm on the button, he's in the BB.
is at seat 1 with 482.50 is at seat 2 with 0.00 is at seat 3 with 418.00 is at seat 4 with 95.50 is at seat 5 with 350.50 Villain posts the large blind 8.00 posts the small blind 4.00 : --, -- : --, -- : --, -- Hero: Kc, 7s Pre-flop: : Fold Hero: Raise 16.00 : Fold Villain: Call 16.00 Flop (Board: Qc, 4d, Qh): Villain: Check Hero: Bet 8.00 Villain: Call 8.00 Turn (Board: Qc, 4d, Qh, Ah): Villain: Check Hero: Check River (Board: Qc, 4d, Qh, Ah, Kd): Villain: Check Hero: Bet 16.00 Villain: Raise 32.00 
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#2
11-11-2006, 01:39 PM
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Re: Raised on river, is this a fold?
looks like you're hoping villain c/r the river with KJ or less then, not an A, Q or better.
I can't see long term calling of river c/r's here for a hopeful chop being +EV.
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#3
11-11-2006, 03:29 PM
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Re: Raised on river, is this a fold?
The river c/r makes no sense to me after the turn getting checked through, so I would probably call it because I showdown too much anyway and tend to think my opponents are not trustworthy when they do something that makes no sense.
On the other hand, I think it's an interesting discussion of whether to bet the river in the first place, although at game time, I'm sure I would have bet this myself. I guess you need to give worse hands a chance to call, but given the action preflop and on the flop, it's hard to give him a large range of worse hands that would call here. I think it's far more likely that we lose or chop when called than win. The interesting thing is that I fear the c/r less than a call, which is why I think it's OK to call the raise once you do bet, though. The c/r after the turn checks through just seems too strange. As an aside, you might want to look into formatting your hands (even without a converter) to a more conventional format if you're going to post many of them.
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#4
11-11-2006, 03:56 PM
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Re: Raised on river, is this a fold?
Sigh, I miss this network a lot. Anyway I probably call it because people tend to be idiots. I have no idea what he plays like that. At first I wanted to say a missed turn c/r, but then he likely would have bet river. Yeah, I probably call just to see what he has a make a note, though it's likely some horribly misplayed Qx or boat type hand.
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#6
11-11-2006, 04:37 PM
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Re: Raised on river, is this a fold?
Yeah.
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