Tough Spot with QQ

[shpanko]

Both opponents are 20/16/3 TAG's. I have a TAG image. I have three-bet a decent amount at the table but nothing out of line. What to do..

Full Tilt Poker
$1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Ring Game
4 Players
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<font color="black">Stack Sizes</font>
UTG: $200
BTN: $75
Hero (SB): $210.75
BB: $229.35

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($3, 4 players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $7</font>, BTN folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $25</font>, BB calls $23, <font color="red">UTG raises all in to $200</font>, Hero??

[ronitonline]

Looks more like AK then AA/KK to me, I call here given that this TAG could be a thinking player pulling a squeeze play.

[wall_st]

this seems like a really easy fold ? Unless you are positive that utg would push with a wide range here to isolate a lot of the dead money, but even that seems kind of ridiculous.

[tufat23]

this is a fold

[ronitonline]

Wall_st, do you really think that villian thinks hero is 3betting PF with worse then AK, JJ+? Do you really think villian is going to push out QQ and AK by overbetting? If villian had AA he wants both players to stick around, or atleast one of them he would probably make it more like $85 or something.
I think this is AK / random squeezeplay hands.

[tufat23]

i dont fold AK or QQ often preflop, even JJ is getting kinda borderline, but i think i'd fold QQ very often here, nad mainly based on BB

[ronitonline]

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i dont fold AK or QQ often preflop, even JJ is getting kinda borderline, but i think i'd fold QQ very often here, nad mainly based on BB

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Well that makes more sense, I can agree that folding here can make sense vs BB, but I dont like folding here vs villian alone. Too big a bet for AA/KK IMO.

[tufat23]

actually thats totally wrong. i run similar figures to UTG villain and if i get 3-bet plus a cold caller in between i shap shove QQ+ and AK+. i never put in a smaller 4-bet.

DUCY?

[Jay Riall]

No non-retarded villain is doing with without AK, KK+ or maybe the other QQ. Fold. Mainly because of the cold-call.

Also, is FTP that bad that you have to play vs. 2 TAGs and a shortstack?

[ronitonline]

I think in this spot a lot of players will underrep AA/KK making it seem not as strong of a play then they would with JJ/AK. They want thier play to look mega strong, aka shoving.
You could be right but I personally think vs most villians I see AK here a ton.

I dont care to fold or call here.