had a few bad beats. am i playing too weak?

[Woodsie]

never said it was a bad beat. i had had a few bad beats prior to this hand and thus MAY have played this hand weak.

[well named]

I was going through PT and here's a similar hand I played a few nights ago. My question is, for those who get it in in woodsie's hand, is your play the same here? The board is a bit scarier in this hand since both flush and straight draws came in.

Edit: Villain is 30/15/1.3 over a small sample. He's fairly loose preflop but so far not out of line post-flop.

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

MP: $11.50
Hero (CO): $9.85
BTN: $7.05
SB: $19.75
BB: $12.10
UTG: $11.10

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $0.40</font>, 2 folds, BB calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.85) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $0.65</font>, BB calls $0.65

Turn: ($2.15) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $1.50</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $3</font>, Hero calls $1.50

River: ($8.15) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $8.05 and is All-In</font>, Hero ???

[UFGatorGuy]

I stack off there with KK unhappily. Villain looks like he has a flush a lot of the time with that line but I think we're ahead of a 30/15 enough times to make it a profitable call. I don't know, I'm probably just not good enough to let it go.

[finalboarder]

In this hand I am probably folding the river. With those stats I think this is almost always a flush. But for those of you that disagree can you give your reasons? When is this a bluff? I don't villian does this with AJ.

[Woodsie]

maybe i am playing against different people but i have yet to see someone with an AF &lt; 2 go all in with even a decent hand. they always seem to be monsters (and always better than a pair).

If you are villain, are you pushing allin on the river with that board texture even with AA? if not, what do you have to have to push allin there?

PS: please note that the villain in my hand had an AF of 0.7.

[well named]

Yes I realize the villains are different. The lines are basically the same, which is what interested me.

I folded the river, fwiw, that's why I was interested to hear, for those that call in your hand, what they do in mine, and if the play is different why? (Obviously mostly it's different because of board texture but i'm curious what other ways people compare the hands.)

[Woodsie]

oh i am agreeing with you.

i have yet to see anyone give any plausible holding for villain that we beat.

in both of our cases, its not like they were maniacs.

[SDone]

I hate your bet on the flop, .40 into a .70 flop on a very draw heavy board? It's not entirely too far fetched to believe that the villian stayed in with a straight or flush draw that involved a queen, and caught the queen. Well, actually against a player that passive, it might be a bit of a longshot, I'd expect a cc on the river from them if that was the case.
If you had put the pressure on the villian on the flop and the turn, this may have come out easier for you. A min raise from a player like that is kind of scary though.

[hammerva]

If I can piggyback here, what in the villian stats made it look like he had a flush draw based on small sample of hands. Obviously the PF% means nothing in this case. Trying to understand why reading those 3 numbers mean everything here.