HSNL downswings: is - 40bi the new -20bi ??

[teddyFBI]

In this thread , a lot of 25/50NL guys are chiming in admitting that they've had 40 buy-in downswings, even while they used to think such things were "impossible" -- at least for 'good' players like them.

Back when I flung poo in LHE, the same sort of debate raged, as 300 BBs had been considered the largest downswing that a supposedly winning player could expect to lose. Gradually, though, well-respected poo-flingers came out of the woodwork acknowledging 500 - 1,000 BB downswings, more or less obliterating the 300BB mentality.

When i converted to NL a little over a year ago, the common wisdom was that you should be rolled with 20 buyins to withstand the variance...has that estimate of the magnitude of downswings in NL been discarded, as has the 300BB rule of thumb on the LHE side?

(p.s. i'm in midst of 25 BI downswing...hadn't experienced more than 15 BI previously)

[AZK]

It's really a function of the games/styles you are playing in. I don't think there is a set rule.

[AZK]

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say if you are having a -40bi downswing you are clearly not in the right game (this could be due to tilt/your style of play/the line up/your relative position, any number of things) and don't have "the best of it".

[bottomset]

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I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say if you are having a -40bi downswing you are clearly not in the right game (this could be due to tilt/your style of play/the line up/your relative position, any number of things) and don't have "the best of it".

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that or you are good enough to beat the game when you are playing Agame, problem being you've been playing your Dgame for the past 10k hands or whatever

it really is a fine line between +3ptbb/100 and -1ptbb/100

[KRANTZ]

a LOT of the players regularly playing 25/50 these days are not CLOSE to as fundamentally solid as you might think they should be or are

huge downswings happen when everyone is making marginal plays that catch the wrong side of variance

[xxThe_Lebowskixx]

40BI is alot.

[ahnuld]

30 buyins is the new 20 imo. I mean ill go through a 20 buyin downswing once every 50k hands

[TheWorstPlayer]

im down 7 BI or so at 10/20 and thnk that means i'm a losing player [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] 40BI is a looooot. I've had one but I was playing very very losing poker at the time.

[iRock]

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I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say if you are having a -40bi downswing you are clearly not in the right game (this could be due to tilt/your style of play/the line up/your relative position, any number of things) and don't have "the best of it".

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This really isn't true. I ran 6bb/100 for last year at 25/50, but during that time I had downswings of 200 and 300k respectively (some from playing shorthanded at those ub games that were pretty tough and prob -ev for me at 50/100; but a lot of it was in 25/50).

The poster who said you are playing your D game more over the last stretch than your A game is more spot on. Also you experience worse game selection because you just want to play all the time to make your money back, while the best games may not be available and you just jump in blind. Heads up can really accelerate a downswing as well. 25 buy ins, while it sucks, isnt too awful. Taking time away from poker entirely helps a lot.

[TheWorstPlayer]

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I ran 6bb/100 for last year at 25/50

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during that time I had downswings of 200 and 300k

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