***Official "What the hell am I doing here" HORSE thread***

[betgo]

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Which REMAINING (sorry Steve) Team Pokerstars player do you think will last longest in H.O.R.S.E Event?

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Officially Noah Boeken now. 25/26.

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I think these guys all played because they couldn't pass up a $5K free entry. A lot of them don't play mixed games well and a few are outclassed period.

[betgo]

Bubble bluff:

PokerStars Game #12348942323: Tournament #70000021, $5000+$200 HORSE (Hold'em Limit) - Level XVI (3000/6000) - 2007/09/29 - 23:28:56 (ET)
Table '70000021 5' 8-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: TheTakeover (40880 in chips)
Seat 2: hairos (43163 in chips)
Seat 3: BOBALOB (175282 in chips)
Seat 6: pstarfish (13280 in chips)
Seat 7: luvgamble (52492 in chips)
Seat 8: ROXY24 (110117 in chips)
luvgamble: posts small blind 1500
ROXY24: posts big blind 3000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
TheTakeover: folds
hairos has timed out
hairos: folds
hairos is sitting out
BOBALOB: folds
pstarfish: raises 3000 to 6000
luvgamble: folds
ROXY24: calls 3000
*** FLOP *** [Td Jh 2d]
hairos has returned
ROXY24: bets 3000
pstarfish: raises 3000 to 6000
ROXY24: folds
pstarfish collected 19500 from pot
pstarfish: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 19500 | Rake 0
Board [Td Jh 2d]
Seat 1: TheTakeover folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: hairos folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: BOBALOB folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: pstarfish (button) collected (19500)
Seat 7: luvgamble (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: ROXY24 (big blind) folded on the Flop

[betgo]

Bubble bursts:

PokerStars Game #12348970793: Tournament #70000021, $5000+$200 HORSE (Hold'em Limit) - Level XVI (3000/6000) - 2007/09/29 - 23:30:50 (ET)
Table '70000021 9' 8-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: p10ker (66337 in chips)
Seat 2: tj_trail (58238 in chips)
Seat 3: BUS02 (103007 in chips)
Seat 4: Iftarii (72841 in chips)
Seat 6: Exclusive (10070 in chips)
Seat 8: MrTile (51628 in chips)
p10ker: posts small blind 1500
tj_trail: posts big blind 3000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
BUS02: folds
Iftarii: folds
Exclusive: raises 3000 to 6000
MrTile: raises 3000 to 9000
p10ker: folds
tj_trail: folds
Exclusive: raises 1070 to 10070 and is all-in
Betting is capped
MrTile: calls 1070
*** FLOP *** [Kh Ad Th]
tj_trail said, "gl noah"
*** TURN *** [Kh Ad Th] [Jc]
*** RIVER *** [Kh Ad Th Jc] [2h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Exclusive: shows [4c 4d] (a pair of Fours)
MrTile: shows [Ah 5h] (a flush, Ace high)
tj_trail said, "gg"
MrTile collected 24640 from pot
Iftarii said, "gg"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 24640 | Rake 0
Board [Kh Ad Th Jc 2h]
Seat 1: p10ker (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: tj_trail (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: BUS02 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Iftarii folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Exclusive showed [4c 4d] and lost with a pair of Fours
Seat 8: MrTile (button) showed [Ah 5h] and won (24640) with a flush, Ace high

[betgo]

PokerStars Game #12349027042: Tournament #70000021, $5000+$200 HORSE (Hold'em Limit) - Level XVI (3000/6000) - 2007/09/29 - 23:34:41 (ET)
Table '70000021 18' 8-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: tj_trail (74738 in chips)
Seat 2: Andy McLEOD (214470 in chips)
Seat 3: BUS02 (103007 in chips)
Seat 4: TwinkleStar (59029 in chips)
Seat 5: muchbetter (124159 in chips)
Seat 6: DealtheCards (41924 in chips)
Seat 7: Magic Aces (25150 in chips)
Seat 8: Cordelia (43144 in chips)
tj_trail: posts small blind 1500
Andy McLEOD: posts big blind 3000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
BUS02: folds
TwinkleStar: folds
muchbetter: folds
DealtheCards: folds
Magic Aces: folds
Cordelia: raises 3000 to 6000
tj_trail: folds
Andy McLEOD: calls 3000
*** FLOP *** [2d 4h 4d]
Andy McLEOD: checks
Cordelia: bets 3000
Andy McLEOD: calls 3000
*** TURN *** [2d 4h 4d] [Ad]
Andy McLEOD: checks
Cordelia: checks
*** RIVER *** [2d 4h 4d Ad] [9h]
Andy McLEOD: bets 6000
Cordelia: calls 6000
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Andy McLEOD: shows [Js 3s] (a pair of Fours)
Cordelia: shows [Kh 8d] (a pair of Fours - Ace+King kicker)
Cordelia collected 31500 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 31500 | Rake 0
Board [2d 4h 4d Ad 9h]
Seat 1: tj_trail (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Andy McLEOD (big blind) showed [Js 3s] and lost with a pair of Fours
Seat 3: BUS02 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: TwinkleStar folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: muchbetter folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: DealtheCards folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Magic Aces folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Cordelia (button) showed [Kh 8d] and won (31500) with a pair of Fours

[Silent A]

Controversy on the money bubble. Starts with this hand of Stud8:

PokerStars Game #12348852634: Tournament #70000021, $5000+$200 HORSE (7 Card Stud Hi/Lo Limit) - Level XV (2000/4000) - 2007/09/29 - 23:22:58 (ET)
Table '70000021 9' 8-max
Seat 1: p10ker (87237 in chips)
Seat 2: tj_trail (67138 in chips)
Seat 3: BUS02 (37507 in chips)
Seat 4: Iftarii (98741 in chips)
Seat 6: Exclusive (14970 in chips)
Seat 8: MrTile (56528 in chips)
MrTile: posts the ante 400
p10ker: posts the ante 400
tj_trail: posts the ante 400
BUS02: posts the ante 400
Iftarii: posts the ante 400
Exclusive: posts the ante 400
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to p10ker [Td]
Dealt to tj_trail [4s]
Dealt to BUS02 [7h]
Dealt to Iftarii [Kd]
Dealt to Exclusive [Js]
Dealt to MrTile [9h]
tj_trail: brings in for 600
BUS02: raises 1400 to 2000
Iftarii: folds
Exclusive: folds
MrTile: folds
p10ker: raises 2000 to 4000
tj_trail: calls 3400
BUS02: calls 2000
*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to p10ker [Td] [Kc]
Dealt to tj_trail [4s] [Tc]
Dealt to BUS02 [7h] [6c]
p10ker: checks
tj_trail: checks
BUS02: bets 2000
p10ker: raises 2000 to 4000
tj_trail: folds
BUS02: calls 2000
*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to p10ker [Td Kc] [Jh]
Dealt to BUS02 [7h 6c] [3d]
p10ker: checks
BUS02: bets 4000
p10ker: calls 4000
*** 6th STREET ***
Dealt to p10ker [Td Kc Jh] [6h]
Dealt to BUS02 [7h 6c 3d] [Th]
p10ker: checks
BUS02: checks
*** RIVER ***
p10ker: bets 4000
BUS02: raises 4000 to 8000
p10ker: folds
tj_trail said, "unreal"
BUS02 collected 38400 from pot
tj_trail said, "you guys obv partener"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 38400 | Rake 0
Seat 1: p10ker folded on the River
Seat 2: tj_trail folded on the 4th Street
Seat 3: BUS02 collected (38400)
Seat 4: Iftarii folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Exclusive folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 8: MrTile folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)

Followed by:

tj_trail said, "BULL****"
tj_trail said, "getting reported now"
tj_trail said, "gl with ur accounts"

p10ker said, "grow up"

tj_trail said, "so obv dude"
tj_trail said, "so obv"
tj_trail said, "I suspected it last time" (edit, missed a line)
tj_trail: didnt say a word
tj_trail: but thats just ridiculous
tj_trail: UNREAL

p10ker: let them look at the hands, fine with me
p10ker: i have a small pocket pair in the last hand, i middle you to get you out and give me best chance to win

tj_trail: please
tj_trail: as u pay him off the whole way

p10ker: then when he checks card 6 i know he's paired

tj_trail: ya right

p10ker: or too strong

tj_trail: no one plays that bad

p10ker: i bet end to get him to pass a 6

tj_trail: wasnt the first time either
tj_trail: 2nd time I've noticed it
tj_trail: we'll see
tj_trail: gl with your account

p10ker: be a good loser, you got outplayed dude

tj_trail: LOL
tj_trail: outplayed?
tj_trail: do you know who I am?

p10ker: do you think i care?

tj_trail: I've been around these places a lot longer than you son

p10ker: not online you havent, old man

I think it went on from there but the table closed when the bubble burst.

[Kevmath]

For those that will be listening to the final table, David Tuchman (w/ Barry Greenstein) will be taking Bart Hanson's place for commentary. However, he needs someone to contact him ASAP to let him know to get over to the studio. I tried calling him, but there appears to be some sort of problem with my phone. If someone can PM me, I'll give you his number for you to let him know to head over to the studio..

TIA

[Silent A]

Continues on Table 18:


tj_trail said, "I wonder if Stars will allow BUS to finish out this tourney"
tj_trail said, "or if they'll just freeze ur chips"
tj_trail said, "we'll see how she does without her friend"

Then, they go head to head here:

PokerStars Game #12349062283: Tournament #70000021, $5000+$200 HORSE (Hold'em Limit) - Level XVI (3000/6000) - 2007/09/29 - 23:37:09 (ET)
Table '70000021 18' 8-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: tj_trail (73238 in chips)
Seat 2: Andy McLEOD (174320 in chips)
Seat 3: BUS02 (110507 in chips)
Seat 4: TwinkleStar (50029 in chips)
Seat 5: muchbetter (118159 in chips)
Seat 6: DealtheCards (46424 in chips)
Seat 7: Magic Aces (53300 in chips)
Seat 8: Cordelia (59644 in chips)
muchbetter: posts small blind 1500
DealtheCards: posts big blind 3000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Magic Aces: folds
Cordelia: folds
tj_trail: raises 3000 to 6000
Andy McLEOD: folds
BUS02: raises 3000 to 9000
TwinkleStar: folds
muchbetter: folds
DealtheCards: folds
tj_trail: calls 3000
*** FLOP *** [Tc 7d 3h]
tj_trail: checks
BUS02: bets 3000
tj_trail: raises 3000 to 6000
BUS02: calls 3000
*** TURN *** [Tc 7d 3h] [8c]
tj_trail: bets 6000
BUS02: raises 6000 to 12000
tj_trail: calls 6000
*** RIVER *** [Tc 7d 3h 8c] [Ad]
tj_trail: checks
BUS02: bets 6000
tj_trail: calls 6000
*** SHOW DOWN ***
BUS02: shows [Jc Kc] (high card Ace)
tj_trail: shows [Qs Qc] (a pair of Queens)
tj_trail collected 70500 from pot
tj_trail said, "nh"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 70500 | Rake 0
Board [Tc 7d 3h 8c Ad]
Seat 1: tj_trail showed [Qs Qc] and won (70500) with a pair of Queens
Seat 2: Andy McLEOD folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: BUS02 showed [Jc Kc] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 4: TwinkleStar (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: muchbetter (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: DealtheCards (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: Magic Aces folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Cordelia folded before Flop (didn't bet)


tj_trail said, "where is your friend now?"

BUS02 said, "WHO U TALKIN TOPO"
BUS02 said, "R U A MORON"
BUS02 said, "R U ACCUSIN ME OFF CHEATIN"

tj_trail said, "obviously yes I am"
tj_trail said, "not just accusing"
tj_trail said, "I know you were"
tj_trail said, "it will get shown"

BUS02 said, "TELL YOUR MOTHER I SAID EAT MY DRAWS"

tj_trail said, "I've seen many cheaters in my day"

BUS02 said, "IF WE WHERE CHEATIN WHY DID I CHECXK 6TH STREET ASSH"
BUS02 said, "I MADE 777"
BUS02 said, "U SOUND STUPID"
BUS02 said, "WHY WOULD I CHECK 6TH MORON"

tj_trail said, "there is nothing you can say to convince me otherwise BUS"
tj_trail said, "you cheated, plain and simple"
tj_trail said, "if it was teh first time u did it, then I wouldnt have said anything"
tj_trail said, "but that was not the case"

BUS02 said, "C THAT PIC ON MY FACE"

tj_trail said, "someone chip dumbs twice, then I report it"

BUS02 said, "THATS MY ONLY SON"
BUS02: I SWEAR ON HIS EYES THAT THERE WAS NO CHEATIN AT ALL
BUS02: U TAKE IT HOW U WANT IT

tj_trail said, "well, ok then, I hope you werent, and if not gl to you"

BUS02 said, "TY"
BUS02 said, "U2"

And there it ends

[Yuv]

Who are these people?

[Yuv]

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tj_trail: LOL
tj_trail: outplayed?
tj_trail: do you know who I am?

p10ker: do you think i care?

tj_trail: I've been around these places a lot longer than you son

p10ker: not online you havent, old man


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http://www.pocketfives.com/profiles/RainmanTrail

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Favorite cash game
NL/PL HE, $1/$2 to $2/$4

Greatest online win
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No disrespect to 1-2/2-4 players, but is it worthy of "do you know who I am"?

[LearnedfromTV]

They seriously need to do something about the limit structures next year.

There are currently 18 people left playing 4k/8k omaha, practially the entire prize pool is on the table, and they have an average of 11 big bets.

The next three levels are 6k/12k, 8k/16k and 10k/20k. That's a 50% increase, a 33% increase, and a 25% increase. These are also the stud games, which have an additional betting round,

Going from 4k/8k omaha 8 to 6k/12k razz at this point in the tournament is truly retarded, especially because razz is so high variance, and because it's a game where equities don't really diverge until 5th street. Half the field will be committed before the key point in the hand for evaluating their equity.

edit: razz round just started with two full tables left, average stack is 8BB. They're flipping coins for the final table. Just getting the bringin more than average could be enough to signficantly hurt someone.