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PLO25: Nut full house faces pot size river raise
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Pot Limit Omaha Ring game Blinds: $0.10/$0.25 6 players Converter Stack sizes: UTG: $35.85 UTG+1: $14 CO: $24.65 Button: $25.10 Hero: $24.25 BB: $43.85 Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with 3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $0.75</font>, Hero calls, BB calls. Flop: ($2.25, 3 players) Hero checks, BB checks, Button checks. Turn: ($2.25, 3 players) <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $0.75</font>, BB calls, Button folds. River: ($3.75, 2 players) <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $1.5</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $8</font>. Uncalled bets: $6.5 returned to BB. Results: Final pot: $6.75 I bet the turn pretty smallish as I have just about every hand crushed/drawing dead. Same reasoning for my river bet. Whatīs my line? Fold, call or raise? I was totally lost on that river. Is it really possible heīs waiting for the river to raise 99xx? Would he call my turn bet with JJ or a flush draw hoping to improve on the river and/or steal the pot if a scare card hits? Or did he slowplay 33xx all the way? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] |
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Re: PLO25: Nut full house faces pot size river raise
wait, you folded?!?!
Shove the river. |
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Re: PLO25: Nut full house faces pot size river raise
I would have bet more on the turn. If he has a flush draw, straight draw, K9, or a random 3 he'll call a bigger bet anyway. I'd at least bet $1.50.
On the river I would would bet more like 3 (edit: assuming original pot size, I would bet more had I bet more on the turn) and shove over his reraise. It isn't worth worrying about it if he has 33. Also, coming from a holdem background, I usually reraise this preflop against a button raise. Is that good, bad, neutral? |
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Re: PLO25: Nut full house faces pot size river raise
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wait, you folded?!?! Shove the river. [/ QUOTE ] no, i didnīt fold. i called the river. as both of you advocate shoving - why would i do that? isnīt that "iīll pretend iīm not interested and check behind on the flop, call the turn" line what everybody would do with quads? imo, there are only two likely holdings - 99xx or 33xx. |
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Re: PLO25: Nut full house faces pot size river raise
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[ QUOTE ] wait, you folded?!?! Shove the river. [/ QUOTE ] no, i didnīt fold. i called the river. as both of you advocate shoving - why would i do that? isnīt that "iīll pretend iīm not interested and check behind on the flop, call the turn" line what everybody would do with quads? imo, there are only two likely holdings - 99xx or 33xx. [/ QUOTE ] This is PL25 (which is full of total droolers), and you led so weak into him, he could have tons of hands other than quads and 99--JJxx, 39xx, 3Jxx, even TQ or a naked 3. You absolutely have to shove here. You're missing tons of value if you don't. And to Ricky Bobby, yes a reraise pf would have been good with a hand this strong. |
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Re: PLO25: Nut full house faces pot size river raise
people are stupid. if you have a read that this dude only raises with the immortal nuts, then fold. there is one hand that beats you. you beat a lot of other hands. 99, JJ, TQ, 93, J3, K3.
I'm not saying you're stupid, I'm saying villain could very well be. don't give him too much credit. |
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Re: PLO25: Nut full house faces pot size river raise
^^^
types slow. |
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Re: PLO25: Nut full house faces pot size river raise
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people are stupid. if you have a read that this dude only raises with the immortal nuts, then fold. there is one hand that beats you. you beat a lot of other hands. 99, JJ, TQ, 93, J3, K3. I'm not saying you're stupid, I'm saying villain could very well be. don't give him too much credit. [/ QUOTE ] i didnīt have any reads on villain - i have like 10 hands with him. alas, this whole hand looked VERY fishy to me and hence i only called on the river. that "check behind flop, call turn" [censored] really screamed "i have a monster". so its only about him, i.e. wether he perceives his hand correctly or wether he is willing to go broke with 2nd nuts there. i agree theres ton of bad players at plo25, but iīm sure they would play almost any full house very, very fast. KKQQss isnīt a reraising hand imo, even less so out of position. POKERSTARS GAME #13136410560: OMAHA POT LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/11/09 - 14:32:04 (ET) Table 'Atria II' 6-max Seat #3 is the button Seat 1: Poker_syd ($14 in chips) Seat 2: goed leven ($24.65 in chips) Seat 3: Raipe44 ($25.10 in chips) Seat 4: automatiques ($24.25 in chips) Seat 5: RAM1T ($43.85 in chips) Seat 6: berns18 ($35.85 in chips) automatiques: posts small blind $0.10 RAM1T: posts big blind $0.25 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to automatiques [Kd Qh Qs Ks] berns18: folds Poker_syd: folds goed leven: folds Raipe44: raises $0.50 to $0.75 automatiques: calls $0.65 RAM1T: calls $0.50 *** FLOP *** [3s 3d 9s] Poker_syd is sitting out automatiques: checks Poker_syd leaves the table RAM1T: checks Raipe44: checks *** TURN *** [3s 3d 9s] [Kc] automatiques: bets $0.75 RAM1T: calls $0.75 Raipe44: folds *** RIVER *** [3s 3d 9s Kc] [Jh] atilla1968 joins the table at seat #1 automatiques: bets $1.50 RAM1T: raises $6.50 to $8 automatiques: calls $6.50 *** SHOW DOWN *** RAM1T: shows [3h Th 3c 4c] (four of a kind, Threes) automatiques: mucks hand RAM1T collected $18.80 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $19.75 | Rake $0.95 Board [3s 3d 9s Kc Jh] Seat 1: Poker_syd folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 2: goed leven folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 3: Raipe44 (button) folded on the Turn Seat 4: automatiques (small blind) mucked [Kd Qh Qs Ks] Seat 5: RAM1T (big blind) showed [3h Th 3c 4c] and won ($18.80) with four of a kind, Threes Seat 6: berns18 folded before Flop (didn't bet) |
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Re: PLO25: Nut full house faces pot size river raise
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i didnīt have any reads on villain - i have like 10 hands with him. alas, this whole hand looked VERY fishy to me and hence i only called on the river. that "check behind flop, call turn" [censored] really screamed "i have a monster". so its only about him, i.e. wether he perceives his hand correctly or wether he is willing to go broke with 2nd nuts there. i agree theres ton of bad players at plo25, but iīm sure they would play almost any full house very, very fast. KKQQss isnīt a reraising hand imo, even less so out of position. POKERSTARS GAME #13136410560: OMAHA POT LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/11/09 - 14:32:04 (ET) Table 'Atria II' 6-max Seat #3 is the button Seat 1: Poker_syd ($14 in chips) Seat 2: goed leven ($24.65 in chips) Seat 3: Raipe44 ($25.10 in chips) Seat 4: automatiques ($24.25 in chips) Seat 5: RAM1T ($43.85 in chips) Seat 6: berns18 ($35.85 in chips) automatiques: posts small blind $0.10 RAM1T: posts big blind $0.25 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to automatiques [Kd Qh Qs Ks] berns18: folds Poker_syd: folds goed leven: folds Raipe44: raises $0.50 to $0.75 automatiques: calls $0.65 RAM1T: calls $0.50 *** FLOP *** [3s 3d 9s] Poker_syd is sitting out automatiques: checks Poker_syd leaves the table RAM1T: checks Raipe44: checks *** TURN *** [3s 3d 9s] [Kc] automatiques: bets $0.75 RAM1T: calls $0.75 Raipe44: folds *** RIVER *** [3s 3d 9s Kc] [Jh] atilla1968 joins the table at seat #1 automatiques: bets $1.50 RAM1T: raises $6.50 to $8 automatiques: calls $6.50 *** SHOW DOWN *** RAM1T: shows [3h Th 3c 4c] (four of a kind, Threes) automatiques: mucks hand RAM1T collected $18.80 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $19.75 | Rake $0.95 Board [3s 3d 9s Kc Jh] Seat 1: Poker_syd folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 2: goed leven folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 3: Raipe44 (button) folded on the Turn Seat 4: automatiques (small blind) mucked [Kd Qh Qs Ks] Seat 5: RAM1T (big blind) showed [3h Th 3c 4c] and won ($18.80) with four of a kind, Threes Seat 6: berns18 folded before Flop (didn't bet) [/ QUOTE ] Don't be results oriented, you were unlucky to be against the nuts in this hand, but in similar circumstances against a random PL25 player who you have no reads on, the villain's range includes TONS of hands that are not 33 (many people will slowplay boats/trips at this level) and that will stack off. If you're always afraid of the nuts you're not going to get anywhere in this game. Also, KKQQss is a absolute monster and can be reraised from any position, though just calling with it OOP isn't horrible. |
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