fold 22 preflop?

[wnmpkr]

Prima Network No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Hero ($60.16)
Button ($49.90)
SB ($57.39)
BB ($13.13)
UTG ($41.63)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $2.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $4.5</font>, Hero ??

[Fiksdal]

lol easy fold son

[BishopsFinger]

donk open limp with pps - i open raise any pp in any position. this is the most standard fold we're likely to see in the micro forum today.

[prodonkey]

the more I play, the more I'm not so sure blindly raising every pocket pair from every position is the best way for how many tables play. If the table is full of people who are going to call I don't really see a point in raising the very small pocket pairs up front, when 90% of the time you're going to end up with 2+ calls behind you and having to play out of position. Ya you increase the pot size for when you hit, blah blah. Personally I've had most of my luck with getting paid with sets when someone else has the lead.

I'm just saying I don't think anything should be set in stone like some people see things.

And easy fold.

[Abdullaev]

I agree that this is an easy fold, but I want to tell you my thought process in deciding whether it is. Maybe it's bad math on my part. First, you're about 7 1/2 to 1 to hit your set on the flop. When it gets back to you, you have to put in four more bucks. (Your first fifty cents is already in the pot.) So in order to make it positive expected value, you need to win at least 30 bucks (7.5 times four) from the other players if you hit. And that's assuming that you don't have a set over set situation, so it's surely more than the 30. Do you think you're going to get that much? One dude only has a $14 stack.

More important, you don't even know if you will end up putting in only four bucks preflop. The original raiser could come over the top and then you're screwed.

Really though, on this particular hand I wouldn't really give it that much thought. It's too clearly a fold.

[corsakh]

Easiest call. BB hand here is irrelevant. If SB hits, all money goes in.

[ontiltsoon]

You are discounting SB could raise again...
I fold

Edit to add I raise PF

[BishopsFinger]

oh please lets not get into how much you have to put in to make set mining profitable - its been covered comprehensively and if you feel like searching 2+2 for it its prolly in the stickies.

whats the alternative then? im never gonna be folding 44-55 UTG and the way i figure it at a tight table your FE plus set value make it well worth it - at a loose table the prospect of a set in multiway pots gives you enormous IO and you can get away from low pps cheaply as can be seen above.
whilst i agree its unwise to follow a line blindly i dont think i will ever be revising my pp play barring some incredible relevation.

[Abdullaev]

So then, Bishop, if you are just calling the four bucks here, what are you going to do when the first raiser reraises it to 20 or pushes all in to isolate Mister 13 bucks? Whether its 22, 33, 44, 55 or whatever here, folding here is a no brainer.

[wnmpkr]

i folded.
2 came in flop.
SB had a big hand, so i would have got all the money, thats what make me think about it again.