NL50: my KK gets 3bet by BB PF

[gregorio]

villain is 9/9/oo but only 30 hands, so basically no reads except he is not crazy loose

Poker Stars: $0.25/$0.50 6 players
100BB eff stacks

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $1.75</font>, 3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $6</font>, Hero ?

Any point in not shoving and trying to get some value out of a Cbet on the flop, or is that just asking for trouble when an A flops or when I have to guess whether any of the undercards to my KK made a set. I think I have to shove, but I also think I only get called by AA and usually just pick up the pot right there.

[wingchunflush]

YOU SHOVE HERE 100% OF THE TIME. Good lord you were you not here two weeks ago?

[gregorio]

Calm down. I wasn't ever folding. Or did I miss the "Always shove KK PF" thread?

[pdiggz]

4-bet to $20, call if BB shoves.

[PJo336]

you guys arent really answering him lol

I think trying to get fancy is pointless, cuz an ace either beats you or ruins value u can get. No point in letting 1010-QQ fold to an A or K on the flop, 4 bet it

[thac]

4-bet to 18ish.. make it kinda small. We're in position, he has a monster hand it seems (nitty, 3-bet you OOP when you raised in EP), and we want him to shove AK as much as he wants to - but I doubt he calls a shove with it.

[dpis]

yeah, ive been smooth calling these a lot more lately. i used to always rr or just push, and youre right that you either get a fold or called by aces on the push. youll have pos on him so let the flop come and let him bet, then raise enough to get him to get it in (at this point if hes got aces oh well, but if he doesn't you've gotten more money out of him than i think you would have otherwise)

[wingchunflush]

Lol i was ready to start linking pics lol

[aka_bebel]

Make it ~18 PF .
Don't shove PF.
If you 4bet him he is calling JJ/QQ sometimes ,but if you shove he is folding them a lot of times and you will win only a small pot.He might shove AK if you make it ~18 but I doubt he calls an all in with AK..

If he calls and an A flops I don't put any more money in the pot.On any non A flops we play for the rest of our stack

[gregorio]

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Lol i was ready to start linking pics lol

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I made 2 or 3 pics in that thread. Would have been great if you had posted one of mine.