WCOOP ME - Tough Spot vs. Winning player

WarDekar · #1 10-05-2007, 12:10 PM

Villain is a solid player that I've seen to switch up speeds on occasion. He was short but won a flip or two and had some big hands get paid off to get a big stack. I haven't seen him get out of line on anything, and generally isn't getting involved in many pots.

He's a winner verified by OPR, mostly in mid-stakes buy-ins no major scores (some in the 10k range, bunch in the 3-5 range)

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t800 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP1 (t40210)
MP2 (t6210)
Hero (t35383)
CO (t26264)
Button (t45643)
SB (t52062)
BB (t26865)
UTG (t18193)
UTG+1 (t45209)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t2345, 2 folds, Hero raises to t6345, 4 folds, UTG+1 calls t4000.

Flop: (t13040) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (t13040) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 bets t10400, Hero calls t10400.

River: (t33840) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 bets t19200, Hero ????

Your Move?

I assume if you fold here you also fold KK (and JJ of course)?

Requin · #2 10-05-2007, 12:20 PM

Mmm changed my mind fold.

brad2002tj · #3 10-05-2007, 12:38 PM

Tough spot. If he bets big on the flop its an easy fold. Assuming he is a solid player, his check on the flop could be kk, aa, but most likely not aj-ak. He could have jj and think he is ahead. I would be tempted to call.

WarDekar · #4 10-07-2007, 03:33 AM

No thoughts on this? Was it horribly played from the start? What's my range from the start, what's villain's range, what's villain's range on turn and river, etc. what can I call with?

Should I have c-bet flop?

Some ppl recommend this but I think it's kind of pointless in this position.

Bond18 · #5 10-07-2007, 03:56 AM

I like the whole hand assuming you folded the river. I prolly raise a little bit more pre.

shaundeeb · #6 10-07-2007, 04:30 AM

I hate this hand on every street but flop. Flat call PF, on turn you can fold you are soo behind his range which is JJ+ and AK you have no history you beat 1 hand JJ he doesn't bluff with KK

schwah · #7 10-07-2007, 05:33 AM

turn is probably a fold, river is def a fold

PrayingMantis · #8 10-07-2007, 11:05 AM

You need a very good and specific read on him to make a river call here.

You need a somewhat less strong of a read to make a turn call.

From your description it doesn't seem like turn call is profitable.

As mentioned already I'd probably raise more PF if I'm going to reraise.

Todd Terry · #9 10-07-2007, 11:15 AM

I'd raise more pre, 7500 or so. And I'd bet the flop. I don't think AK and AQ are in his range because calling your 3bet with those hands is bad, and AA we have to discount because an A hit the flop. I think checking behind is conceding the pot a high % of the time. And yes, this is a bet which will fold out worse hands and get called or raised by better (except KK, which may fold, but I doubt he has it).

As played, I'd call the river. I think he has JJ here a lot. AK, AQ are unlikely to call pre. TT would make quads, so we can throw that out. AA is less likely because an A flopped. KK I'd discount because I'd expect a 4bet pre from a solid player. Your hand looks like KK, QQ to Villain, and I think he expects you to fold to a river bet. 99-77 (against which you're 50/50 on the river board) are possible as well, but unlikely.

And I think QQ is very different than KK here, the case for calling with KK is much, much stronger because QQ is then part of Villain's range. JJ I would fold.

Edit: Although this is not a strong influence on my decision, I think his bet sizes are more indicative of trying to get you to fold than taking you to value town.

WarDekar · #10 10-07-2007, 12:30 PM

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Edit: Although this is not a strong influence on my decision, I think his bet sizes are more indicative of trying to get you to fold than taking you to value town.

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Shhiiiiit.... (said in the congressman's voice from The Wire) I'm Villain in this hand, I knew my betsize on the turn was too large...