A couple of preflop decisions late in the FTP 500k.

[iMsoLucky0]

10k/20k, 2500 ante, 23 players left. This is at the end of my 2nd orbit at the table and I haven't seen UTG play a hand. I am chipleader with my 870k stack and I think second is around 800k and a bunch of people in the 400-600 range.

Seat 1: hAAydon (533,482)
Seat 2: iMsoLucky0 (867,036)
Seat 3: parisxcon (527,930)
Seat 5: Badminton Icon (206,652)
Seat 6: Nelly Furtado (394,771)
Seat 7: ronniehood (189,352)
Seat 8: stevie444 (220,752)
Seat 9: BthephenomP (279,598)

Badminton Icon posts the small blind of 10,000
Nelly Furtado posts the big blind of 20,000

The button is in seat #3

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to iMsoLucky0 [8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]

ronniehood has 15 seconds left to act
<font color="red"> ronniehood raises to 60,000</font>
stevie444 folds
BthephenomP folds
hAAydon folds
<font color="red"> iMsoLucky0... </font>

Call, raise, fold?


10 minutes later, pretty much the same position as the first hand. I think I was still chipleader, but doesn't matter much.

I had learned a little while before this hand that villian is a pocketfiver and probably has some clue as to how to play tournaments. He lost a big chunk of his stack a little earlier to me when I opened UTG+1 to 42k (8/16k), got a caller, he squeezed from the big blind to 140k with 300 behind and folded to my shove. Other than that, no real reads.

Seat 1: hAAydon (595,982)
Seat 2: iMsoLucky0 (928,424)
Seat 3: parisxcon (481,542)
Seat 5: Badminton Icon (179,152)
Seat 6: Nelly Furtado (217,271)
Seat 7: ronniehood (361,852)
Seat 8: stevie444 (223,252)
Seat 9: BthephenomP (232,098)

parisxcon posts the small blind of 10,000
Badminton Icon posts the big blind of 20,000

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to iMsoLucky0 [5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]

Nelly Furtado folds
ronniehood folds
stevie444 folds
<font color="red">BthephenomP raises to 229,598, and is all in</font>
hAAydon folds

<font color="red"> iMsoLucky0... </font>

Shove or fold? (shoving &gt; calling for obv reasons)

[djk123]

fold shove

[ZJ123]

1 is a fold i think
2 meh, marginal but i think i reshove though i think its really close and barely cEV+

[woodguy]

1.

[ QUOTE ]
This is at the end of my 2nd orbit at the table and I haven't seen UTG play a hand.

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If he folded in obv steal spots with his short stack I probably fold here as he was waiting for a premium. Raising less than all in UTG with less than 10BB's puts you a dog to the range. Its close because he doesn't hurt you that much if you lose, but I see no reason to get involved.

2.

I think that often this is a hand like A9o or a smallish pair. He's really stealing with a little value, but not strong enough to really want a re-raise by opening smaller. I think as low as 88 are turbo jams, but 55 doesn't dominate anything he does this with except a couple of low pairs which isn't enough of his range to feel great about pushing here.

[stevepa]

I fold both. 2 is close but p5ers are generally nits, and given it's probably close vs just him, I fold with 2 still to act.

[betgo]

I fold both hands. Why play when you don't have FE?

[adanthar]

I fold both also although I'd call the second one closing the action.

[djk123]

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

2,434,896,288 games 0.002 secs 1,217,448,144,000 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 48.265% 47.68% 00.58% 1161014436 14186478.00 { 55 }
Hand 1: 51.735% 51.15% 00.58% 1245508896 14186478.00 { KK-22, A5s+, K9s+, QTs+, JTs, A8o+, KTo+ }

[djk123]

we need like 45% to breakeven, and that range is about as worse as we can expect. i doubt KK gets open shoved like that.

[mastr]

steve hit the nail on the head for the reasons why i believe we need to fold both hands. Think the summation is perfect