WCOOP ME - Tough Spot vs. Winning player

[gobboboy]

I don't like preflop, I flatcall here against almost all opponents.

Fold the turn. You beat JJ.

[0evg0]

everyone saying "we beat JJ" wtf

when does villain actually have JJ and bet the turn?

he's not valuebetting thin, and he's not bluffing with a hand with SD value

pretty stupid comment

[0evg0]

and i think your pf raise size is terrible because you a) announce you have a hand, but b) you don't pay attention to stacks to get him to shove stuff you beat (99/TT/AK/AQs) and instead just made a really scary looking 3bet of a EP raise too small for him to be able to shove some of that range because it's so obv you have QQ+

[WarDekar]

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and i think your pf raise size is terrible because you a) announce you have a hand, but b) you don't pay attention to stacks to get him to shove stuff you beat (99/TT/AK/AQs) and instead just made a really scary looking 3bet of a EP raise too small for him to be able to shove some of that range because it's so obv you have QQ+

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That was my thinking. As I said I'm actually Villain in hand and called OOP probably because I was high and like "Oh I know exactly what his range is let's hit something and suck out"

Then during the hand I was like "Well, his range is like JJ+ or QQ+, and I think I can get him to fold JJ-KK, so I mean that's 3/4+ of his range since there's an A on the board"

I felt that times villain would c-bet with JJ-KK here would probably be countered by times he'll c-bet with AA as well.

As soon as I bet I realized I bet too big on the turn - it wasn't small enough to look like a value bet. I actually like to value bet bigger a lot of times for that very reason, but true villain isn't going to know that and I didn't setup the river shove as well because of the bad turn bet size.

I completely agree betting with JJ here would be retarded, so I'm not sure why ppl are saying that.

In summary, I donked my stack in the ME bluffing trying to force a laydown.

[PrayingMantis]

Can't say much about this hand from the opposite perspective because you give 0 read of "hero". This could very well be a retarded 2 streets bluff, or a +EV play that failed in this particular spot for some random reason.

In any case if "hero" called you down with QQ he is either a very good or a very bad player, not much in between (unless you give some more info).

[Todd Terry]

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everyone saying "we beat JJ" wtf

when does villain actually have JJ and bet the turn?

he's not valuebetting thin, and he's not bluffing with a hand with SD value

pretty stupid comment

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JJ has showdown value against what part of Villain's range with this flop board where he 2.5x 3bet an EP raise? 99 is the only possibility, and I'd say it is somewhat remote.

[eBo]

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I don't like preflop, I flatcall here against almost all opponents.



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What's wrong with 3betting here? If we have an aggressive image and 3bet with non QQ+,AK then we should 3bet w/QQ as well.

And if villain shoves, easy call.

[smartalecc5]

why don't ppl rr QQ?

[Soulman]

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Shhiiiiit.... (said in the congressman's voice from The Wire)

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Best line in a tv series ever, I laughed hysterically for 5 mins straight and rewinded 5 times at least.