PPA should fire Annie Duke

[Emperor]

While we are writing letters. Here is my response to the PPA's email to me concerning Annie Duke's recent testimony.

As a member of the PPA, Two Plus Two Forum, and a poker player for the last 10 years, I am very disappointed that a self admitted poker cheat such as Annie Duke is representing the PPA in any way.

Not only is she a cheat, but she is sorely disliked among the poker population because of her belligerent attitude that is present at every major event she attends. This belligerent attitude leads her to angle shooting those that will let her, which are usually the less experienced and easily intimidated by someone of Annie Duke’s reputation.

I posted on the PPA forum back when Annie admitted to cheating that I did not believe that she should be representing the PPA.

Please reconsider her representation.

Thank You,


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If you have no idea what I am talking about use the search feature before flaming. K, thx.

[dlk9s]

I think I know what you are talking about with the cheating thing, but writing a letter with no explanation as to your allegations isn't going to get you anywhere. Plus, Ms. Duke has done a good job representing the PPA.

[DeadMoneyDad]

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I think I know what you are talking about with the cheating thing, but writing a letter with no explanation as to your allegations isn't going to get you anywhere. Plus, Ms. Duke has done a good job representing the PPA.

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I don't know what the OP is talking about and not sure how big a deal the issue was. I will say on thing for poker, and it does seem to allow people a chance who do not fit into any cookie cutter mold.

There seems to be many more people who had multiple careers or quit college or some other "resume black mark" that end up playing poker and playing it well.

I have been very impressed with Annie and all she has done for poker. She has been well spoken, dedicated, smart, and a great "question answerer". So unless she was involved in a really serious systemic cheating issue I'd be very inclined to give her a pass.

I don't think we should play the holier than thou game. I have yet to meet anyone coming any where near perfect.


Just one man's opinion,


D$D

[DeadMoneyDad]

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I think I know what you are talking about with the cheating thing, but writing a letter with no explanation as to your allegations isn't going to get you anywhere. Plus, Ms. Duke has done a good job representing the PPA.

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I don't know what the OP is talking about and not sure how big a deal the issue was. I will say on thing for poker, and it does seem to allow people a chance who do not fit into any cookie cutter mold.

There seems to be many more people who had multiple careers or quit college or some other "resume black mark" that end up playing poker and playing it well.

I have been very impressed with Annie and all she has done for poker. She has been well spoken, dedicated, smart, and a great "question answerer". So unless she was involved in a really serious systemic cheating issue I'd be very inclined to give her a pass.

I don't think we should play the holier than thou game. I have yet to meet anyone coming any where near perfect.

If you are making a claim that Annie is a cheat because she provided railbird advice to a drunk player at a charity event, you are simply NUTS!


Just one man's opinion,


D$D

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[ericicecream]

A pretty large percentage of the poker population seem to disagree with the OP.

[MiltonFriedman]

OP apparently has "principles":
1. He objects to Annie Duke as a PPA rep. because she is a bad person, obliquely referring to some horrible "cheating" incident he can't be bothered to summarize.
2. He supports Ron Paul.

There is nothing wrong with #2, we all want less government interference in our lives, but look at the political ignorance of his #1 beef ....

Annie is described by the OP as a "sorely disliked", "belligerent", "angle-shooting" cheater.

Booo, F*cking Hooo, OP. You miss the political point of whether or not Annie was an EFFECTIVE spokesperson with her testimony. This is not Church, nor a poker torunament, nor nor even a libertarian revival meeting. It is political theatre and she clearly starred in her role.

I cannot stand her personna and have heard firsthand reports from folks who worked closely with her over the years that she is a real pain in the butt. However, there is no doubt whatsoever that her performance before the Committee was exceptionally well handled. In no way did your gripes, even if true, detract from her effectiveness in her testimony and Q&A performance.

OP's "principled" bellyaching is counterproductive as a political analysis tool. OP, do you give a principled litmus test to the guy who cleans your pool or fixes the alternator on your car ?

[4_2_it]

Seems like she is doing the job she was hired to do. If her reputation is that bad why didn't one our opponents plant a loaded question during the hearings?

[sup_bro]

um...what cheating scandal?? i know she is not exactly a nice person (pretty well known) but to just say she is a cheater and not explain further gives little to no credence to the accusation... not saying u are wrong, but to be vague, is just not fair to all parties involved....

[Emperor]

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um...what cheating scandal?? i know she is not exactly a nice person (pretty well known) but to just say she is a cheater and not explain further gives little to no credence to the accusation... not saying u are wrong, but to be vague, is just not fair to all parties involved....

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She didn't just provide advice to a drunk player.
She actively consulted two of the three players on how to cheat the third one out of any chance at the prize money.
She admitted to it, apologized fo it, and financially reimbursed the third player.
Also, check the numerous Angle shooting Annie threads.
Also, checkout Daniel Negreanu's anecdote on Annie's cheating.

If it doesn't matter who represents us, then I apologize for stirring up trouble.

[CardSharpCook]

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However, there is no doubt whatsoever that her performance before the Committee was exceptionally well handled. In no way did your gripes, even if true, detract from her effectiveness in her testimony and Q&A performance.

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I was unable to view her testimony, but reading the accounts, all I could think was, "man, we couldn't find a better face for our cause?" Mrs. Duke is very intelligent and thinks well on her feet. She got across all the points that needed to be said. However, she's just so damn unlikeable. What you say, sadly, is not nearly as important as how you say it. Who, listening to Annie's belligerent bitching and whining would actually want to help our cause? Who looks at her and sees a hard-working mother of 4? I've got nothing against Annie, I'm sure she's a wonderful person. In fact, I even got an autograph from her (to my aunt) which she was happy to sign. But I'm sure she knows as well as I that she's just not that likeable. So yes, in my mind, there is considerable doubt that she was an EFFECTIVE speaker. I'd much have her behind the scenes preparing statements for others to read. We can find a better champion.

All that said, great thanks to Annie for all that she has done for this cause. As to her "cheating", angle shooting isn't cheating. It's just bad manners.