Am i too sexy for my shirt?

[fivesense]

Cp 30 game
standard herd of morons with schnieds, bk, and i sitting next to eachother observing the animals in the zoo and dodging their poo flinging

UTG is the top of the top morons. Just sucks in general and plays his hands super wierd. Sometimes he raises with air, sometimes he waits to raise top pair until the river, sometimes he has quads. For what its worth, as i think its important in this hand, i watched him call the turn after spiking an ace (a8 on an 57JA5 board) on the turn then raise the river and pay off a three bet by the button who had quad 5's.

UTG raises, folds to hero in BB who 3 bets A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], UTG calls

Flop: A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
hero bets, UTG calls

Turn: 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
hero bets, UTG raises, hero calls

River 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
hero checks, UTG bets, Hero check raises

I kinda want to hear thoughts on the hand before I share some of mine.. Thanks for the input in advance!

[PokerBob]

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Cp 30 game
standard herd of morons with schnieds, bk, and i sitting next to eachother observing the animals in the zoo and dodging their poo flinging

UTG is the top of the top morons. Just sucks in general and plays his hands super wierd. Sometimes he raises with air, sometimes he waits to raise top pair until the river, sometimes he has quads. For what its worth, as i think its important in this hand, i watched him call the turn after spiking an ace (a8 on an 57JA5 board) on the turn then raise the river and pay off a three bet by the button who had quad 5's.

UTG raises, folds to hero in BB who 3 bets A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], UTG calls

Flop: A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
hero bets, UTG calls

Turn: 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
hero bets, UTG raises, hero calls

River 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
hero checks, UTG bets, Hero check raises

I kinda want to hear thoughts on the hand before I share some of mine.. Thanks for the input in advance!

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i like.

[Kirby99]

you finally did it

[MitchL]

Dave you told us everything about villain except his propensity to bet the river with hands that dont contain an ace or with just plain air. With the info you have provided I would be trying to bet/3 here.

[DeathDonkey]

Uh given you got raised on the turn this isn't a sexy. In fact this seems suboptimal to 3 betting the turn because lots of people FSDR all the damn time.

-DeathDonkey

[MitchL]

didnt see he got raised on the turn. Not sure what his turn habits are so I would get to sd.

[Munchkin Mayor]

that's a ballsy value raise on the river against a guy who may just have 96 here.

[private joker]

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Uh given you got raised on the turn this isn't a sexy. In fact this seems suboptimal to 3 betting the turn because lots of people FSDR all the damn time.

-DeathDonkey

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DD, what about the Spicy F argument that c/r this river better controls the # of bets that go in?

EDIT: It's highly probable I never fully understood Spicy's theory with that line.

[DeathDonkey]

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Uh given you got raised on the turn this isn't a sexy. In fact this seems suboptimal to 3 betting the turn because lots of people FSDR all the damn time.

-DeathDonkey

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DD, what about the Spicy F argument that c/r this river better controls the # of bets that go in?

EDIT: It's highly probable I never fully understood Spicy's theory with that line.

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Decent argument. I feel the differences is the SpicyF hand was HU against a good LAG that would certainly value bet the river thin or keep firing a missed semibluff. The guy in the OP here just sounds random, I could easily see him as the type to like FSDR with second pair, or an ace, or have a total bluff and then when he gets called on the turn just check and muck his hand on the river. Yeah he could definitely fire the 3rd barrel too but its not too likely he has a hand that can call the CR that we beat. What I mean is a guy like this probably has a range that's more likely silly trash and random 2 pairs, straights, etc. than a worse ace or some other one pair that can bet the river and pay off a raise.

I wouldn't even really mind this hand if fivesense just check/called the river, its just when he CRs there I can't help but think that bet would be much better served on the turn where he can charge the draws, and maybe hopeless hands that call a 3 bet anyway (weird bluffs that have a gutshot for instance).

-DeathDonkey

[hoppscot22]

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you finally did it

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this play seems fine against someone who isnt completely retarded... but lets be honest, this guy sounds completely retarded, so just three bet the turn, you dont really have to worry about him folding it sounds like