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Old 09-22-2007, 08:12 PM
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Default 2/4 Smallish bet in a smallish pot...am I being valuebet or bluffed?

Villain is 21/11/1.7 ~200 hands and despite his stats, seems somewhat competent.

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $2/$4 Blinds - 4 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Hero (SB): $417.60
BB: $531.15
UTG: $433.00
BTN: $938.90

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 Players)
2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $12.00</font>, BB calls $8.00

Flop: ($24) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $16.00</font>, BB calls $16.00

Turn: ($56) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BB bets $35.00</font>, Hero calls $35.00

River: ($126) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BB bets $65.00</font>, Hero is genuinely uncertain...
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Old 09-22-2007, 08:20 PM
AAismyfriend AAismyfriend is offline
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Default Re: 2/4 Smallish bet in a smallish pot...am I being valuebet or bluffe

only one way to find out right?
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Old 09-22-2007, 08:25 PM
higHstaKesOwneR higHstaKesOwneR is offline
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Default Re: 2/4 Smallish bet in a smallish pot...am I being valuebet or bluffe

are there some advantages of betting turn? i mean he isn't very aggresiv so he might cb somethink like a st8draw which won't give as any kind of value at the river if he misses

i don't now just would like to hear some comments
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Old 09-22-2007, 08:29 PM
shpanko shpanko is offline
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Default Re: 2/4 Smallish bet in a smallish pot...am I being valuebet or bluffe

seems like he really wants a call, I dump it.
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Old 09-22-2007, 09:06 PM
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Default Re: 2/4 Smallish bet in a smallish pot...am I being valuebet or bluffe

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seems like he really wants a call, I dump it.

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or he has one of the millions of draws that missed. Any idea if hes good or not could really help
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Old 09-22-2007, 09:26 PM
AAismyfriend AAismyfriend is offline
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Default Re: 2/4 Smallish bet in a smallish pot...am I being valuebet or bluffe

I see people make these silly little value bet looking bluffs all day fwiw.
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Old 09-22-2007, 11:28 PM
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Default Re: 2/4 Smallish bet in a smallish pot...am I being valuebet or bluffe

It's just rare that TPMK wins a showdown with betting on 3 streets against a decent opponent.
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Old 09-23-2007, 12:35 AM
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Default Re: 2/4 Smallish bet in a smallish pot...am I being valuebet or bluffe

call. these are retarded bluffs so often and every draw has missed.
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Old 09-23-2007, 06:28 AM
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Default Re: 2/4 Smallish bet in a smallish pot...am I being valuebet or bluffe

Well, I said he seemed somewhat competent...Would that make it more of a call or less of one?
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Old 09-23-2007, 06:53 AM
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Default Re: 2/4 Smallish bet in a smallish pot...am I being valuebet or bluffe

KQ and KJ are definitely in his range. Would he bet the turn with Tx? I think you are beat tbh... chances of him having a FD are also pretty slim since you already have 2 clubs, so he could have a missed 89 or QJ but wouldn't he bet bigger with these hands?

Also since you called the turn, the river would be a pretty bad spot to bluff in his eyes since it's more unlikely for him to represent a T so you are probably not folding your K in his eyes.
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