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Old 06-05-2007, 08:00 PM
chaide chaide is offline
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Default AA not know how to extrack the maximun here.

i do not remember the handwith detail but is something like this:

hero raise inlate positin and is reraised by button, hero smooth call with black aces

the flop is all rags and raimbow.

hero checks and villain bets

the turn is a Q hearts (the second heart in the table)

hero checks and villain checks, losing my oportunity for checkraising him.

river: 9 hearts

hero?
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Old 06-05-2007, 09:57 PM
elindauer elindauer is offline
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Default Re: AA not know how to extrack the maximun here.

Let me save you a lot of heartache and tell you that the answer is bet. Checking risks a free showdown against ace high, which is the hand your opponent has the vast majority of the time. If your opponent actually holds a pair, then he's passive, and the river flush arriving might scare him into checking again. If he has the flush, betting is best again. Clear bet.

Now let me make you even more money and tell you that out of position, you do much better to play your hand fast in general, and definitely here. If your opponent has ace high, a flop c/r and lead likely wins an extra 1.5 BB. If he has an overpair, you crush him when you get to 3-bet the turn, again making an extra 1.5 BB over the check-call / check-raise line. The only time your line is best is when your opponent will bet until you raise and then shut down. You see players like that, but not as often any more.

The key to the whole thing is to recognize that by calling the flop, you are risking the extra 1 SB you could get by raising and the 1 BB from your turn lead in an attempt to win 2 BB total with the turn c/r. That's risking 1.5 to win 2, so you have to be really sure it's going to work and will win the most. You can rarely be this sure.

So... play your hand fast out of position. Save the slowplays for the times you act last, so you can at least ensure that 1 bet goes in when your opponent gets scared on the turn.

good luck.
eric
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Old 06-06-2007, 05:05 AM
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Default Re: AA not know how to extrack the maximun here.

Eric makes some good points, out of position you want to play big pocket pairs such as AA or KK very fast and slow down when you encounter heavy resistance. Heads up you should either re-reaise preflop or raise him on the flop. If he happens to hit a Q on the thurn with AQ or something and you bet out you could get a chance for a three-bet opportunity if he decides to raise. Slowplays in limit aren't very profitable heads up and your best bet is to play anything good fast.
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Old 06-06-2007, 05:44 AM
Nate tha\\\' Great Nate tha\\\' Great is offline
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Default Re: AA not know how to extrack the maximun here.

Check the river so you can complete the quad-fecta and misplay every street. Also fold when he bets cuz the flush came in.
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Old 06-06-2007, 09:55 AM
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Default Re: AA not know how to extrack the maximun here.

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Check the river so you can complete the quad-fecta and misplay every street. Also fold when he bets cuz the flush came in.

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Well done!
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Old 06-06-2007, 11:24 AM
sternroolz sternroolz is offline
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Default Re: AA not know how to extrack the maximun here.

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Old 06-06-2007, 11:33 AM
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Default Re: AA not know how to extrack the maximun here.

Fold AA preflop to extract less value.

- Jim
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Old 06-06-2007, 11:45 AM
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Default Re: AA not know how to extrack the maximun here.

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Let me save you a lot of heartache and tell you that the answer is bet. Checking risks a free showdown against ace high, which is the hand your opponent has the vast majority of the time. If your opponent actually holds a pair, then he's passive, and the river flush arriving might scare him into checking again. If he has the flush, betting is best again. Clear bet.

Now let me make you even more money and tell you that out of position, you do much better to play your hand fast in general, and definitely here. If your opponent has ace high, a flop c/r and lead likely wins an extra 1.5 BB. If he has an overpair, you crush him when you get to 3-bet the turn, again making an extra 1.5 BB over the check-call / check-raise line. The only time your line is best is when your opponent will bet until you raise and then shut down. You see players like that, but not as often any more.

The key to the whole thing is to recognize that by calling the flop, you are risking the extra 1 SB you could get by raising and the 1 BB from your turn lead in an attempt to win 2 BB total with the turn c/r. That's risking 1.5 to win 2, so you have to be really sure it's going to work and will win the most. You can rarely be this sure.

So... play your hand fast out of position. Save the slowplays for the times you act last, so you can at least ensure that 1 bet goes in when your opponent gets scared on the turn.

good luck.
eric

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ty very educational
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