Most Incredibly High Rake?

frommagio · #1 07-03-2007, 04:31 PM

This may be the highest rake ever - don't know. Can you top it?

Last week, I played on the Caribbean Princess Cruise ship. They were using one of those 10-player computer tables (ughh). The game was either limit $2-4 or $3-6. The rake was 10% uncapped ($1 taken from the pot at every $10 increment).

The woman running the casino claimed that (paraphrasing) "10% is a fair rake; in Vegas and CA and other places it's 40%". Nobody was able to convince her otherwise, and the table sat mostly empty throughout the week.

On the topic of computer tables: she said that she preferred those, and planned to install more of them. I asked why, and she said that she was tired of players complaining when she was dealing. Complaining about what? Why, complaining about the rake! Somehow she couldn't put 2 and 2 together.

She was a very nice lady, and I'm totally convinced that she really wasn't aware of how far off the mark her rake really was.

anuj · #2 07-03-2007, 06:01 PM

When I saw the topic title, I instantly remembered the 5/10 10% uncapped rake on a cruise several months back. They were playing on a blackjack table and none of the players probably even realized a rake was being taken from each pot.

frommagio · #3 07-03-2007, 08:03 PM

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When I saw the topic title, I instantly remembered the 5/10 10% uncapped rake on a cruise several months back. They were playing on a blackjack table and none of the players probably even realized a rake was being taken from each pot.

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Interesting. Maybe the cruise ships all jack up the rake.

In this case, the computer interface may have made the rake a bit more obvious. It always displayed the total in the pot. You didn't even need to be watching to notice, because without a dealer, nobody felt very inhibited about bringing it up!

icemankazanski · #4 07-03-2007, 08:30 PM

The most incredibly high rake outside of a cruise ships exists at Bay 101, in northern cali. Most casino's have a five dollar drop for bigger nl games, but Bay 101's 5-200 spread limit game rakes five dollars even if there is no flop. Players can chop, and the drop is a dollar, but if there is a pf raise and everyone folds, the house drops five. It is highway robbery. The blinds are 5-3-2, so if you raise to twenty pf, you win $5.

Rick Nebiolo · #5 07-04-2007, 02:56 AM

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This may be the highest rake ever - don't know. Can you top it?

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Two candidates:

1) Hollywood Park eTables about eight months ago:

NL with 1-2 blinds. One limper. Me in SB folds. Pot is $5 not counting drop/rake. Flop comes x-x-x. eTable computer graphics show the $1 jackpot drop and the $1 "modified" drop that they take on no flop removed from pot leaving three $1 chips. BB bets pot ($3) or nearly pot. Limper folds. Graphics show five chips (bet plus pot) sliding to BB (this I'm not 100% sure of, perhaps 98% sure). BB wins pot but her stack is actually $2 smaller after the hand (this I'm sure of; I played this propped, tight game after a long day on the main floor just to see how they would handle rake/drop). eTable computer disingenuously disguises the fact they take full drop ($4 plus $1) on any flop meaning they took everything.

2) Commerce Casino about twelve to five years ago. 3/6 limit holdem. Someone open raises. Blinds ($3 BB plus $1 SB) fold. Everything is dropped ($3 to house, $1 to jackpot). Open raiser does get his money back.

LA doesn't have the highest absolute drop but they sure know how to rape a small pot. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

~ Rick

frommagio · #6 07-04-2007, 03:02 AM

God, that is ugly, Rick.

I wasn't thinking in terms of small pots, more along the lines of uncapped rake. I guess there are all kinds of specialized rapists out there in casinoland.

Howard Beale · #7 07-04-2007, 03:20 AM

Every so often someone posts about the Crowne Casino in Australia, mentions the outlandish rake, and asks if it can be beat which I don't think it can. After that ridiculous cruise ship thingy the Crowne has to be the worst from what I've read.

NoSoup4U · #8 07-04-2007, 09:23 AM

some cruise ships are 10% capped at $10.

Fishhead24 · #9 07-04-2007, 10:44 AM

The nerve of some of these places............DISGUSTING!!!

.............and dealers expect decent tips, pleeeeeeez.

maltaille · #10 07-05-2007, 02:10 AM

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Every so often someone posts about the Crowne Casino in Australia, mentions the outlandish rake, and asks if it can be beat which I don't think it can. After that ridiculous cruise ship thingy the Crowne has to be the worst from what I've read.

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Star City, in Sydney, is between half again and twice Crown's rake, depending on the game. The smaller games probably aren't beatable, but despite being huge in absolute terms, the rake is a small enough proportion of the buyin and typical pot sizes in the larger games for them to be beatable (if much more difficult than the quality of players would suggest). Uncapped rakes aside, I've never heard of a higher rake than Star's, and I've never heard of a higher proportionate rake at all.

Uncapped rakes suck.