Kinda gross spot w/ gutshot + floosh draw

[DeucesNeverLoses]

8 handed live 3/5 NL game w/ max buy of 300. I donked $100 early w/ a gutshot straight flush draw that missed. Game is pretty loose and good, people are over-valuing a lot of 'made' hands...like 1 pair.

Anyways, I'm OTB w/ J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($200 stack and all cover me) and there are 3 limpers. I miniraise to $15 to build a pot, both blinds call and limpers call.

A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Pot ~ $90

Every checks to guy to my right, who bets...$20, I j call, SB calls, BB c/r to $120, fold, fold, original flop bettor j calls $100 mas. Hero? (About $370 in the pot or so and I have $160ish left).

My thoughts are that I may be way behind to hands like a higher heart draw and I still have to worry about SB. Is this a bad fold on the flop or do I just say "12 outer, get home one time 48%er I'm getting laid 3.7 to 1?"

Thoughts on all streets welcome.

[AAismyfriend]

fold pre-poker

[DeucesNeverLoses]

Okay, obv. I'm posting this because I got it in vs. a king-high flush draw and AQ, AQ held up, but is I bad to fold flop ALWAYS?

[limitnl]

Get the money in. as you already noted: they overvalue lots of hands. Good for you, dont expect to be against trips too much with all this action. you got your big pot, with a big hand. Push it in, and hope for the best. Good value.

[winningfish]

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I miniraise to $15 to build a pot

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Contradictory statement.

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Every checks to guy to my right, who bets...$20, I j call, SB calls, BB c/r to $120, fold, fold, original flop bettor j calls $100 mas. Hero? (About $370 in the pot or so and I have $160ish left).

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What a mess.. check, check, tiny bet, call, check/raise, call etc etc.. nobody has any idea what anyone else has.. this is exactly why minraisers and callers are frowned upon on this site.