Do I beat his range in this RR pot.

[duh]

Villan is a thinking aggro 28/20. Stacked me once in a cooler.

Am I ahead of his range? If so, which street do we felt on?


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($660.30)
SB ($143.60)
BB ($1862.75)
UTG ($699.70)
Hero ($386)
CO ($413)

Preflop: Hero is MP with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $16</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $68</font>, Hero calls $52.

Flop: ($138) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $114</font>, Hero ???

[Teh1337zor]

my standard here is to call and reevaluate

[Praetor]

nm

[Teh1337zor]

question: if we opened in the co or button (obv making his 3 bet range considerably wider) can we shove here?

[FireStorm]

I don't think you're ahead of his range. You beat only missed overcards, 99 and 88. You're flipping overcard clubs, and crushed by all else. I don't like calling here because if you flat call half your stack is in the pot and you will certainly be put to a decision on the turn, which is going to be a bad card for your hand a ton of the time.

[Duck Rabbit]

I don't think calling is a good option here because there are tons of scare cards that come and you will have no idea whether youre good or not. If you're calling a 3bet to this guy, this is a pretty good flop for you. I don't see how you can fold to a cbet, so I think pushing is the best play. It's pretty close though.

[MrHoobris]

I like a shove here. His reraise size/bet size are somewhat oversized and you're just shy of 100BB deep, which makes call/reevaluate a less viable option.

In general my standard is to call and re-evaluate, but that's better if you've got more wiggle room on the turn. My murky understanding of why is: I'm in position, I'm roughly as good as my opponent (or better), and therefore I gain more by seeing the next card and making him play another street OOP.

But I digress. Here if we call the pot size on the turn will be 138 + 114 + 114 = 366, and we will have only 204 left in our stack, which makes shoving now better.

He only needs to fold about 1/3 of the time to make shoving profitable by my calculations:

Pot Size after he bets: 138 + 114 = 252
Left to Shove: 386 - 68 = 318
Pot Size if He Calls: 386*2 = 772

Equity when called (varies a bit depending on how many combos of random clubs you assign) :
Board: 5c 7c 2s
Hand 0: 28.290% { TdTs }
Hand 1: 71.710% { 99+, AcKc, AcQc, AcJc, KcQc, KcTc, QcJc }

Let X = probability of fold
Shove EV(0) = (X)(252) + (1-X)(0.283*772 - 318)
X = 30.3%.

If I'm in the CO/button I'm felting this without hesitation against a 28/20 laggish player because I want him to know he can't run me over and his range is so much wider (obviously).

In the HJ it becomes quite a bit closer, since he knows your range is tighter, his range is stronger, and he'll be checking a decent amount of his AK/AQ. A read could definitely swing this.

In conclusion though, Shove. His calling range is only 3.2% of combos, he needs to fold 1/3 of the time, he's a 28/20 LAG, I have an overpair 100BB deep in a reraised pot, and a call pot commits me here anyway.

[homeboy604]

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my standard here is to call and reevaluate

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