new PPA Ad

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not sure if this will be advertised on tv or where it will be advertised but they put it on YouTube today

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that ad is terrible. it says it's illegal for americans to play online, which is debatable at best. one of the goals of the ppa should be to avoid killing the games that are running now.

also if you were at all undecided about poker i don't think this would make you sympathetic at all.

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The goals of the PPA should be to focus on the long-term and build broader public support for its cause.

You're not thinking about the long term and you're not its target audience. It doesn't need to preach to the choir.

Well, actually it does since it seems to be a ass-backward organization, but that notwithstanding, this ad is a step in the right direction.

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How does lying help the PPA's creditability and thereby our long term cause? The legality of playing online poker from a player's stand point has not changed. Even Frist said that. Internet poker might be illegal, although unlikely, but not because of UIGEA.

What would anyone think about playing poker online now? This ad tells them they would be a criminal and would likely be a victim of fraud by a shady poker site.

The likelihood that a carveout for poker, long or short term, is a longshot at best. And even if it happens we could be still be out in the cold because of the tax that would be applied. Are we suppose to be ok with driving away potential players in the short term for such a weak long term potential?

I am all for trying our best to get a carveout for poker, but the best way by far is to convince the government that online poker can't be eliminated with UIGEA and that the only way to keep all those dollars in this country is to regulate it.

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does anyone remember an interview with possibly one of the higher ups at party or another site where the guy said, "if the US would license, regulate, and tax online poker, we would have them a check tomorrow" or something like that?

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that was the CEO of sportingbet (former owners of paradise poker) who said that on the 60 mins special.

[dlk9s]

While I see the point people are making about it being bad for the PPA or anyone else to say "online poker is illegal," I don't see a problem with it. It is much easier to get the PPA's point across to the general population by telling them that the U.S. government tramples on our rights by making online poker illegal than to explain, "well...it didn't really make poker illegal, it just made it illegal for banks and credit card companies to facilitate payments...but if poker was already illegal in your state, it's still illegal..."

I think the target audience will respond positively to the message, rather than saying, "OMG, online poker is illegal! I'd better not play!"

[Petomane]

Who is the PPA representing - poker players, established sites or American casinos who hope to go online? We know nothing. It would be a good idea if they just told us how they came to be and where they hope to go.

As far as the players are concerned the PPA has been an abysmal failure. Ever since Party raised a lot of money for them last year, they've done exactly nothing. In the meantime, online poker is well on the way to being wiped out in America. And the PPA is still raising money and still doing nothing.

Who is this ad aimed at and where do they plan to show it? Move On clears all its ads with its entire membership and informs everyone at all times as to what they're doing. The PPA does not discuss anything with its members. When they had the essay contest to become state director, why not post the 25 best essays and let people vote? Why the lack of transparency?

I hate to be negative when things are so bad, but the PPA has failed to convince me they're in the slightest bit useful. Maybe we're in this mess because we don't have an effective organization protecting our rights.

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not sure if this will be advertised on tv or where it will be advertised but they put it on YouTube today

PPA Ad

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that ad is terrible. it says it's illegal for americans to play online, which is debatable at best. one of the goals of the ppa should be to avoid killing the games that are running now.

also if you were at all undecided about poker i don't think this would make you sympathetic at all.

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The goals of the PPA should be to focus on the long-term and build broader public support for its cause.

You're not thinking about the long term and you're not its target audience. It doesn't need to preach to the choir.

Well, actually it does since it seems to be a ass-backward organization, but that notwithstanding, this ad is a step in the right direction.

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ok, i misremembered exactly what the ad said, my mistake. it doesn't say it's illegal to play, but it does say (in text on the screen at 0:26):

"it's now illegal for americans to spend money on online poker"

this is not true, or at least not any more true than it was pre UIGEA. it's illegal for whoever is processing the payments, but not illegal for the americans.

i do like this ad a lot more if it's not going to ever be shown to the general public. then starting off with something that is inflamatory like "people like to gamble" seems more ok since the target audience agrees.

but i think it should've used some cuts and soundbite that were longer that 3 seconds to make its point. the biggest thing that it missed imo is the hypocrisy that the government is both "protecting" us from gambling and making money by offering us gambling with way higher rake (i know federal =/= state, but it's still a good point).

the whole thing just came off as very offputting and aggressive with the unsettling music and fast cuts. they could've explained what happened with the safe ports act much more clearly. i highly doubt that an average viewer could watch this once and then explain clearly to a friend how the bill had passed. also, they drop the little soundbite (paraphrasing): "the way to challenge this bill is to show that poker is based on skill and not luck" with no explanation of whether this is even true.

as for the short term / long term, i think both are important. it's possible that the next 6 months is the long term (and only term) for online poker in the us, and i'd rather not see the ppa do anything to make americans feel like the gov't is going to kick down their doors for playing a little, say, 1/2 nlhe 6max on stars.

i also thought it was weird that at 0:51 they show the logos for partypoker.com (makes some sense b/c they were just talking to the ceo), sportingbet.plc and 888.com. makes it seem more like an ad and less like a reasoned argument.

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We need to get a verified script of that ad. And once it is in hand, and it does say something very close to what the player above just said it does, then it should be clear to all that the PPA is pushing the line of party poker which bitterly resents its privately held competitors staying in the US market and wants to hurt those companies. The PPA has *zero* business promoting the business model of *any* online poker site, and should *never* give a public opinion as to the scope of the IUGEA. It should *only* be working for a full carve-out and expansion of poker in both B&M and online venues and should avoid even the appearance of representing one industry interest over another, and should focus on representing the interests of the PLAYERS who don't give a [censored] which sites benefit or don't as long as they have sites online and cardrooms in the B&M world to play on/in.

The interests of Party Gaming are at variance with the interests of most US poker players and the PPA should realize that and cutoff all contacts with PG even if that means some lost funding.

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You are *paranoid*.

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any ad should have a clip of massachusetts democrat barney frank's quote when referring to underage abuse of gambling...

"if we try to stop all the adults from doing what college kids are doing noone would be able to leave their home"

I dont remember his exact words but his speech was classic, he made a mockery of the whole bill...

how does the ppa not use any of this material?? here's the link...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=q-UpI1Ct-dg

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Not at all. Party Gaming's interest is precisely in the PPA taking the most pessimistic interpretation of the UIGEA so as to lump the private sites in with them. The last thing they want is a situation where those private sites stay in the US business and use profits there to fund competition against party in other markets. Which makes stars and FT suckers to promote the PPA if the PPA does indeed have ads with the PG spin.

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