KK .25/50 Stars. What to do on flop?

defence18 · #1 05-13-2007, 05:55 PM

No real reads. Had just moved to the table and played maybe 15 hands. How would you have played this on the flop?

Poker Stars
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.25/$0.5
9 players
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Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Hero raises, 3 folds, MP3 3-bets, 2 folds, SB calls, BB folds, Hero caps, MP3 calls, SB calls.

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (13SB, 3 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, MP3 3-bets, SB caps, Hero ?

fretelöo · #2 05-13-2007, 05:56 PM

Call. What else?

voyamatarte · #3 05-13-2007, 06:04 PM

grunch

These situations seem to stress me a little too. MP3 never misses an opportunity to raise a bet after you. Without a read, I can't tell if this is a semi-bluff or not. It looks like he is playing a high-pair preflop, and after flush SB starts betting instead of calling, possibly showing flush draws. But then, why was SB calling preflop? I dont know. A laydown seems good, but then again, are the pot odds good enough to stay in and see what they have? Should we fold if there is another club?

illini43 · #4 05-13-2007, 06:18 PM

Call.

This could be a lot of hands, a lot of which beat you, but you are getting good enough odds to call to see the turn.

akak · #5 05-13-2007, 09:47 PM

Obviously call the single bet.

Now the turn is the good question here...we're not sure if these guys are maniacs who hit top pair or if someone has the obvious two pair or trips. Since you're in the middle, you're in a bit of a tricky situation.

I'm going to fold the turn unimproved. Here's why:

SB cold-called 3 bets PF, then donks the flop. I doubt he has trips since so many players wait till the turn with trips at this level. I'm putting him on AQ or a flush draw.

I'm putting MP3 on QQ or 99 since he made it 3 PF, and again 3-bets after both you and SB show that you have something.

I doubt you're ahead after that action, and you only have two outs. After SB leads the turn, if you call, you'll probably get stuck in the middle of a raising war while you desperately attempt to get to a showdown. Fold the turn unimproved.

defence18 · #6 05-13-2007, 10:35 PM

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Obviously call the single bet.

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It's 2 bets back to me on the flop.

ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S · #7 05-13-2007, 11:42 PM

wtf? its capped you cant go 5 bets on pokerstars

of course call

AE6 · #8 05-14-2007, 01:45 AM

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Obviously call the single bet.

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It's 2 bets back to me on the flop.

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ya but it's 2 small bets which = one big bet.

marchron · #9 05-14-2007, 01:48 AM

The raise is obvious, and when it comes back capped you have to call that, too, but I'd start looking for the exit. As I was told in my first hand post, a Q-high flop is terrifying if you hold KK and the pot was capped preflop, because QQ now beats you and AA is still ahead.

If the turn card is an A, I'm folding instantly. For virtually every other card, I'll call SB's first bet, and if it goes raise/3-bet behind me, I'll fold for two more.
Both opponents are telling you they're beating an overpair; you should probably listen.

bravos1 · #10 05-14-2007, 01:58 AM

honestly.. what are we ahead of here? I'd lay 10:1 that we have the worst of the 3 hands.