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Old 10-30-2007, 01:36 AM
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Default Re: Mill - fold KK on rag flop?

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i get it all in pretty quickly here

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Old 10-30-2007, 02:11 AM
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Default Re: Mill - fold KK on rag flop?

i cant fold this in the million i shove without much thought.a thought that just entered in my mind just this moment is that decent players will min raise tt-qq here so they can see where they are at and fold to a shove i really really think thats what hes doing so i would just call flop. turn gets tricky though as to whether shove,check,or weak lead idk what i'd do.
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Old 10-30-2007, 10:08 AM
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Default Re: Mill - fold KK on rag flop?

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decent players will min raise tt-qq here so they can see where they are at and fold to a shove i really really think thats what hes doing so i would just call flop.

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no that's what a braindead player would do
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Old 10-30-2007, 12:16 PM
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alright so it seems like everyone said fold, and normally i wud agree esp in the million. but i actually folded in the hand after tanking for a while.

based on the preflop call i put him on JJ+ or TT+. on the flop i'd expect him to just shove JJ-QQ. the only hand that made sense for me after the minraise was AA. i dunno. it was def an unusual laydown for me but i just cudnt put him on anything but aa

[/ QUOTE ] Then maybe the villain's minraise in this particular situation was a good play, assuming that the villain had something that you could beat, such as JJ or QQ.

The situation in which a min-raise might be better than a push.

1. You are planning to play the hand for all your chips
2. There is a decent possibility that you are behind.
3. If you min-raise, it will be obvious to your opponent that you are pot committed (your opponent should not think that he can get you to fold by pushing over your raise).

If all of those criteria are met, why not min-raise instead of push?
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Old 10-30-2007, 07:39 PM
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Default Re: Mill - fold KK on rag flop?

Results?
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Old 10-30-2007, 09:29 PM
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Default Re: Mill - fold KK on rag flop?

even if his range is JJ+ and he takes this line with

AA 100% of the time
KK 100% of the time
QQ 75% of the time
JJ 50% of the time

it's a shove
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Old 10-31-2007, 01:57 AM
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Default Re: Mill - fold KK on rag flop?

yeah dont fold ever
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