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#12
10-15-2007, 12:47 PM
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Re: Deep river bluff
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i dont like it.. his hand def. looks very strong, u would have raised the turn with a set so u cant have a full here and you probably would just call with a flush on this board so i dont think you do a good job of representing anything. [/ QUOTE ] I would definetly not have raised the turn with 2pair/set, since there is a four card straight out there. Therefore I think my line makes sense. I cannot see villain having a house here, since he only called the flop on a drawy board against two players, and therefore most probably does not have a set. I would also for sure raise his weak lead with A/K high flush. In the moment I thought his most likely holding was a straigh - a 4 or maybe 87. Another thing to note is that villain knows I am sick callingstation, and therefore is more likely to v.-bet thinly with a straight, no? I dont know if my thoughs are why off, thats why I posted the hand... Edit: In my first post I mentioned I had history with Villain1, it is of course Villain2 whom I have some history with. 
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#13
10-15-2007, 03:42 PM
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Re: Deep river bluff
I think this is fine, really depends on how villain 2 views you, but as you described the situation I think this play is fine.
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#14
10-15-2007, 03:43 PM
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Re: Deep river bluff
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i dont like it.. his hand def. looks very strong, u would have raised the turn with a set so u cant have a full here [/ QUOTE ] you saw the 4card straight right? even if you raise a set to protect against a flush draw, it's not like so standard that villain just uses hand reading 101 and figures out that a full house is impossible, because that's just not the case most of the time in thi sspot.
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#15
10-15-2007, 04:23 PM
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Re: Deep river bluff
How often do you think he shows up with a hand like 45 or 56 here (pair and a gutter on the flop)? Are you discounting those because he plays them faster on the flop or what?
I think either of those hands makes a lot of sense depending on how aggressive the villain is.
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#16
10-15-2007, 04:32 PM
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Re: Deep river bluff
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I actually kinda like this. Villain's hand looks like a straight to me most often, and almost never a full house. Your line is completely consistent with how a set or 2 pair that rivered the boat would play. So yeah, I like it, but maybe I'm just a spewmonkey, idk [/ QUOTE ]
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#17
10-15-2007, 04:52 PM
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Re: Deep river bluff
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How often do you think he shows up with a hand like 45 or 56 here (pair and a gutter on the flop)? Are you discounting those because he plays them faster on the flop or what? I think either of those hands makes a lot of sense depending on how aggressive the villain is. [/ QUOTE ] Ya I guess they do. But I do not think he would bet out on the turn when the 4 card straight hit with 45 or 56, would he? Also, wouldnt he be betting more if he filled on the river?
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#20
10-15-2007, 08:27 PM
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Re: Deep river bluff
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[ QUOTE ] I actually kinda like this. Villain's hand looks like a straight to me most often, and almost never a full house. Your line is completely consistent with how a set or 2 pair that rivered the boat would play. So yeah, I like it, but maybe I'm just a spewmonkey, idk [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] i think its at least close enough that vs a reg when you add shania it makes it def non-spewmonkish. never hurts to showdown some river bluff rzs 200bb deep.
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