good fold? bad fold?

[thenutz9]

I was at the table during this and remember the hand. My first instinct shouted he was drawing. I don't think a fold is bad at all there though, as his range with overpairs and sets makes this very tough to play for stacks. I think I would have folded also.

[BearHustler]

Uh, if I think that a villain is "a bit lag", I autoshove here. Is that bad?

Edit: I can see 8's or 9's or J's or JT or AT or even AhKx or whatever making this play. And what beats us? The three sets, AA and KK (yes and 89 and 76). Am I wrong here?

[stigmata]

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Uh, if I think that a villain is "a bit lag", I autoshove here. Is that bad?

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well it looks like villain is wanting to play for stacks after we have shown a lot of strength. Lag or not, this is a real hand, either a monster or a strong draw. I would fold and wait for a better spot, or be more confident of my read.

[BearHustler]

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Uh, if I think that a villain is "a bit lag", I autoshove here. Is that bad?

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well it looks like villain is wanting to play for stacks after we have shown a lot of strength. Lag or not, this is a real hand, either a monster or a strong draw. I would fold and wait for a better spot, or be more confident of my read.

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We've re-raised a late position open from a loose player and made a Cbet of a little over half the pot on a dangerous-looking board that's unlikely to have hit our hand. How's that strength?

Edit: it's just a pot-sized raise in a 3-bet pot. This doesn't mean at all that he wants to play for stacks. If he's making a move, he can just as easy get away from this. And not all villains play well in RR pots or plan hands out or bet size well. We don't have to be ahead/coinflip very often to break even here.

[MATT111]

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Edit: it's just a pot-sized raise in a 3-bet pot. This doesn't mean at all that he wants to play for stacks. If he's making a move, he can just as easy get away from this. And not all villains play well in RR pots or plan hands out or bet size well. We don't have to be ahead/coinflip very often to break even here.

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He put in 260 and has 180 left. Of course he is playing for stacks.

[stigmata]

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Uh, if I think that a villain is "a bit lag", I autoshove here. Is that bad?

Edit: I can see 8's or 9's or J's or JT or AT or even AhKx or whatever making this play. And what beats us? The three sets, AA and KK (yes and 89 and 76). Am I wrong here?

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play around yourself but if we put his range as a mixture of monsters/draws and spazzy stuff like JTs, then it still doesn't look good.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

43,560 games 0.005 secs 8,712,000 games/sec

Board: 6c 7h Th
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 31.325% 30.70% 00.62% 13374 271.00 { QdQs }
Hand 1: 68.675% 68.05% 00.62% 29644 271.00 { KK+, TT, 77-66, AhKh, AhQh, AhJh, ATs, KhQh, QhJh, JTs, T8s+, 98s, 76s }

[catcher193]

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Uh, if I think that a villain is "a bit lag", I autoshove here. Is that bad?

Edit: I can see 8's or 9's or J's or JT or AT or even AhKx or whatever making this play. And what beats us? The three sets, AA and KK (yes and 89 and 76). Am I wrong here?

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play around yourself but if we put his range as a mixture of monsters/draws and spazzy stuff like JTs, then it still doesn't look good.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

43,560 games 0.005 secs 8,712,000 games/sec

Board: 6c 7h Th
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 31.325% 30.70% 00.62% 13374 271.00 { QdQs }
Hand 1: 68.675% 68.05% 00.62% 29644 271.00 { KK+, TT, 77-66, AhKh, AhQh, AhJh, ATs, KhQh, QhJh, JTs, T8s+, 98s, 76s }

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villian is allowed to bluff.

[BearHustler]

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Uh, if I think that a villain is "a bit lag", I autoshove here. Is that bad?

Edit: I can see 8's or 9's or J's or JT or AT or even AhKx or whatever making this play. And what beats us? The three sets, AA and KK (yes and 89 and 76). Am I wrong here?

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play around yourself but if we put his range as a mixture of monsters/draws and spazzy stuff like JTs, then it still doesn't look good.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

43,560 games 0.005 secs 8,712,000 games/sec

Board: 6c 7h Th
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 31.325% 30.70% 00.62% 13374 271.00 { QdQs }
Hand 1: 68.675% 68.05% 00.62% 29644 271.00 { KK+, TT, 77-66, AhKh, AhQh, AhJh, ATs, KhQh, QhJh, JTs, T8s+, 98s, 76s }

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villian is allowed to bluff.

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And you forgot jacks, which is kind of important, and probably a few 88-99 hands. And the other Queens.

[stigmata]

hence i said "play around yourself"

[BearHustler]

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hence i said "play around yourself"

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Yeah, I know. At work, so I can't. Appreciate the effort though. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]