NL Bots on Full Tilt

[nlnut]

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Why do you take notes on players if you play the same way no matter who the player is? You're C-betting 97% of the time and you claim that you take notes on players?

[/ QUOTE ] <font color="red"> the notes are part of the strategy...pretty much we track something in our notes that pt doesn't that is specific to each player...I can not explain it as it would be releasing part of strategy </font>

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You're not answering the question. Why are you taking copious notes if you never divert from the strategy?

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since part of our strategy requires pahud/PT. And pahud and PT doesn't track a specific stat we need to manually note it.

[derosnec]

are you paying taxes on your employees, making Social Security contributions, etc etc?

[nlnut]

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And what took 3 months to complete this investigation?

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The accounts were suspended from 3/27 until the case was closed on 4/30, or thereabouts. NLnut posted on 2+2 on 3/28 saying he didn't know why his account was suspended. One of the team members called it a "3 month investigation." I haven't heard any comment on this inconsistency.

[/ QUOTE ] according to OP timelines it was close to a 3 month investigation, however our accounts were only suspended for 1 month of it. thats were the mistake is.

[Headblader]

I got it, you're tracking the percentage of players who use the smoking old woman vs. those who revert to the always popular doberman avatar.

[Mitternacht]

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He doesn't have to reach for more things to clear himself. He has already been cleared by Full Tilt. Now whether or not you trust their investigation, the fact remains that they are the only ones that had to clear him. He doesn't have to prove anything to anyone on here.

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I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree with you here.

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Doesn't make what I said not true. He will continue to play at Full Tilt. You cannot change that unless all the people howling for blood on this thread manage to convince Full Tilt to go back on the findings of their investigation. Now you could follow the accounts around and rail them for the rest of eternity and make their lives hell, but somehow I think people will get bored before long and forget all about this when the next "BIG SCANDAL OMG" erupts.

[illunious]

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From nlnut's and brandon's conduct in this thread I think it can safely be assumed that neither of them is very bright.

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Understatement of the year. Take a look at the pic of their "setup". I spend a lot of time at my computer, or take a look at other pics of people's set-ups.

Where is the clutter? Right now, I have an empty water bottle, a pack of cigs, an ash tray, a stack of old bills. Above my terminal are some baseball hats, a lamp, a book, and a box of envelopes. Next to my mouse pad is a pen.

They play hours and hours, crammed together, and their isn't even a crumpled up candy wrapper to be found. RIGHT.
Those monitors were place on a empty clean table for the pic, and some mismatched chairs shoved in front of them.

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Would you not clean up your setup before posting it for a bunch of random strangers to see?

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Take a look at pics of people's set-ups posted here.
The answer is NO

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Those people were not posting it to a thread with 22k views, on a forum that they are unfamiliar with, and where many people that are looking at it think they are scum.

[zook]

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Would you consider posting 10-20 hands where your "crew" held AA, KK, QQ or AK? Analyzing the play might help your situation. Don't worry - no one is trying to steal your 1bb/100 "system."

Does any one have some DB hands to post on these players?

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I have some. I'll post interesting ones as I find them, but I've done a lot of searching and haven't found too many interesting ones.

This looks like a non-bot pre-flop play with AA. Problem is that individual hands can't prove anything, since it's clear that even if they're botting, they're also controlling at certain points.

FullTiltPoker Game #1739219366: Table Horizon Lake - $1/$2 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:10:02 ET - 2007/02/05
Seat 1: Bmaverickjr ($215.55)
Seat 2: StevoBG23 ($100)
Seat 3: miktown ($64.60)
Seat 4: djunior0626 ($40.95)
Seat 5: maabin ($68.45)
Seat 6: JimandAnne ($160.80)
Seat 7: Hero ($209.70)
Seat 8: full_tilting ($200)
Seat 9: smellyk220 ($253.10)
Hero posts the small blind of $1
full_tilting posts the big blind of $2
StevoBG23 posts $2
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [6s 5d]
smellyk220 folds
Bmaverickjr folds
StevoBG23 checks
miktown folds
djunior0626 folds
maabin raises to $7
JimandAnne folds
Hero folds
full_tilting raises to $200, and is all in
StevoBG23 folds
maabin calls $61.45, and is all in
full_tilting shows [Ad As]
maabin shows [Ks Kh]
Uncalled bet of $131.55 returned to full_tilting
*** FLOP *** [Qh Qs 3d]
*** TURN *** [Qh Qs 3d] [3s]
*** RIVER *** [Qh Qs 3d 3s] [3c]
full_tilting shows a full house, Threes full of Aces
maabin shows a full house, Threes full of Kings
full_tilting wins the pot ($136.90) with a full house, Threes full of Aces

[cardcounter0]

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that was meant for the turn and river...we didn't slow play flops obv by our stats...


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And since your river bet stats are the most identical of all, I don't think there is too much "discussion" about those either.

[derosnec]

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FullTiltPoker Game #1739219366: Table Horizon Lake - $1/$2 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:10:02 ET - 2007/02/05
Seat 1: Bmaverickjr ($215.55)
Seat 2: StevoBG23 ($100)
Seat 3: miktown ($64.60)
Seat 4: djunior0626 ($40.95)
Seat 5: maabin ($68.45)
Seat 6: JimandAnne ($160.80)
Seat 7: Hero ($209.70)
Seat 8: full_tilting ($200)
Seat 9: smellyk220 ($253.10)
Hero posts the small blind of $1
full_tilting posts the big blind of $2
StevoBG23 posts $2
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [6s 5d]
smellyk220 folds
Bmaverickjr folds
StevoBG23 checks
miktown folds
djunior0626 folds
maabin raises to $7
JimandAnne folds
Hero folds
full_tilting raises to $200, and is all in
StevoBG23 folds
maabin calls $61.45, and is all in
full_tilting shows [Ad As]
maabin shows [Ks Kh]
Uncalled bet of $131.55 returned to full_tilting
*** FLOP *** [Qh Qs 3d]
*** TURN *** [Qh Qs 3d] [3s]
*** RIVER *** [Qh Qs 3d 3s] [3c]
full_tilting shows a full house, Threes full of Aces
maabin shows a full house, Threes full of Kings
full_tilting wins the pot ($136.90) with a full house, Threes full of Aces

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unexploitable

[zook]

Here's a slowplayed flop with top set.

FullTiltPoker Game #1935359003: Table Convention Center - $1/$2 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:49:33 ET - 2007/03/06
Seat 1: RLBurnside ($197)
Seat 2: full_tilting ($311.55)
Seat 3: KissAlba ($218.45)
Seat 4: pertbj06 ($88)
Seat 5: Hero ($245.05)
Seat 6: koffeeg ($217)
Seat 7: frozenVK ($106.25)
Seat 8: HEATER1A ($230.95)
Seat 9: Grines ($65.15)
full_tilting posts the small blind of $1
KissAlba posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Ac 2h]
pertbj06 folds
Hero folds
koffeeg folds
frozenVK folds
HEATER1A raises to $7
Grines folds
RLBurnside folds
pertbj06 stands up
full_tilting calls $6
KissAlba calls $5
*** FLOP *** [Jd 7s 6c]
full_tilting checks
KissAlba checks
HEATER1A bets $10
williamse sits down
full_tilting calls $10
williamse adds $200
KissAlba raises to $30
HEATER1A folds
full_tilting calls $20
*** TURN *** [Jd 7s 6c] [3d]
full_tilting checks
KissAlba bets $50
full_tilting has 15 seconds left to act
full_tilting raises to $120
KissAlba has 15 seconds left to act
KissAlba raises to $181.45, and is all in
full_tilting calls $61.45
KissAlba shows [7h 7d]
full_tilting shows [Jc Js]
*** RIVER *** [Jd 7s 6c 3d] [2s]
KissAlba shows three of a kind, Sevens
full_tilting shows three of a kind, Jacks
full_tilting wins the pot ($450.90) with three of a kind, Jacks