6max starting hands (good discussion of PF and post flop play)

[Mike Z]

I am Looking to get a general idea of what people open with if no one has raised at say 25NL with table of 30/10/2.0

Here is a chart I came up with.

[bozzer]

these ranges are tight but are mostly internally consistent and are a decent starting point for a novice player.

the big point that needs correcting is that your SB range is wider than your BTN range, that is definitely incorrect.

edit: insert standard caveats about postflop>preflop, hand selection being dynamic etc. this is still a helpful topic for beginning players to get some guidelines.

[monkover]

utg/mp: any pp A10s+, AJ+, KQ, JQs+
co: same as utg, 56s+,78
btn: mostly atc depending on blinds and table conditions

[monkover]

the problem is though i have to add here that you can´t play after a starting hand range systems as you can in minibet... nl preflop decisions depend on a lot of factors!

[bozzer]

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btn: mostly atc depending on blinds and table conditions

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lifetime button vpip please. if it is more than 40% i will be suprised.

[ev_slave]

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these ranges are tight but are mostly internally consistent and are a decent starting point for a novice player.


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Internally consistent? I know the term but I don't know how it applies to this, or even poker outside of game theoretical models of poker. Any clarification?

[monkover]

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btn: mostly atc depending on blinds and table conditions

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lifetime button vpip please. if it is more than 40% i will be suprised.

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nah well that´s obv not what i meant or i would be a spewtard... this is just depending on table condition i might open atc as oposed to utg for example

[bozzer]

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these ranges are tight but are mostly internally consistent and are a decent starting point for a novice player.


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Internally consistent? I know the term but I don't know how it applies to this, or even poker outside of game theoretical models of poker. Any clarification?

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no genius point, i just mean that the whole set of ranges are tight, but make sense (apart from the sb thing) in terms of position and hand values. there aren't many points where he's dropped a hand from the range for no obvious reason.

i think OP should play AJs UTG if he is playing KQs UTG though, and also raise all PPs UTG.

[Unknown Soldier]

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the problem is though i have to add here that you can´t play after a starting hand range systems as you can in minibet... nl preflop decisions depend on a lot of factors!

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QFT

if you want to be a good player don't follow a hand chart!

[Mr_Pathetic]

preflop is like a blank canvas of a painting and the cards and actions you choose begin to create the artwork and then by the river you have painted a great portrait of what you want your opponent to see based on all the actions that were taken during the creation of the painting. poker is a group effort at painting a picture for you to use to your advantage. something like that, although I feel I've failed to explain what I really mean.