25NL: Rivered straight on flushy board

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($26.15)
Hero ($25.50)
BB ($23.80)
UTG ($16.85)
UTG+1 ($29.55)
MP1 ($15.80)
MP2 ($5.90)
MP3 ($23.10)
CO ($12.65)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP3 calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $0.45</font>, BB folds, UTG calls $0.45, MP3 calls $0.45.

Turn: ($2.35) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1.5</font>, UTG folds, MP3 calls $1.50.

River: ($5.35) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises to $7</font>, Hero calls $3.50.

Final Pot: $19.35

All comments welcome. Is c/c'ing river better or does that lose me too much value vs 2pair/set type hands?

[wikemang]

I would c/c river

[Chargers In 07]

Bet more on the flop. I personally don't bet because I'm not expecting to bluff out 3 people on this board. c/f the turn. You could be drawing dead, the card reduces your outs to 6, and the 7 makes an obvious straight that likely won't get paid off. Once I make it to the river I'm betting.

[Mike Kelley]

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Sorry Chargers I wasn't disagreeing with you. I was just expanding on the concept.

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personally I don't usually draw to flushes or straights on paired boards and I don't usually draw to straights after the board flushes. That said I think the river is a b/f

[Chargers In 07]

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personally I don't usually draw to flushes or straights on paired boards and I don't usually draw to straights after the board flushes. That said I think the river is a b/f

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[chopchoi]

I can't see folding a straight for $3.50 in a $15 pot, when 9x makes a worse straight.

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Chargers: Table had been pretty loose pre-flop and pretty weak postflop, with 3 or 4 people calling and then folding to small flop bets (1/2 to 2/3 of the pot).

I bet out on the turn figuring that the heart draw got there, and should be scary for anyone not on that draw. If they DO have the flush, they'd raise unless they had high hearts which were probably raising preflop (unless they're on Ah-xh. Without specific reads, I admittedly (and probably incorrectly) project myself into villain's shoes and think about how I'd react to board and betting. When villain called turn, but raised river, I read him for 2 pair or maybe the worse straight and maybe the flush, and the odds suckered me in.

Mike, I will take this to heart. I'm getting better at avoiding situations like this when I'm in the blinds in limped pots. This will definitely lend to that.

Chop: I was thinking this too and it was hard for me to get away from the 4.5-1 odds I was looking at.

[Mike Kelley]

I don't think I can find a fold there either but I would definitely want to.

[ship_it_trebek]

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I can't see folding a straight for $3.50 in a $15 pot, when 9x makes a worse straight.

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