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Old 12-27-2006, 09:43 PM
Morrek Morrek is offline
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Default Fold top2 vs fishy?

Villan is 53/30/2.8 buddylisted player. I'm very new to the table. Stacks 1k

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $5/$10
6 players
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Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $35</font>, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($110, 3 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $80</font>, Button calls, BB folds.

Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($270, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $176</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $352</font>, Hero...
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Old 12-27-2006, 09:54 PM
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Default Re: Fold top2 vs fishy?

i dont think so.
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Old 12-28-2006, 02:15 AM
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Default Re: Fold top2 vs fishy?

I don't do this, although minraise = nuts a lot by bad players, it also could mean almost any pair, J, etc. I think you have to call, and c/c riv.
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Old 12-28-2006, 02:35 AM
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Default Re: Fold top2 vs fishy?

I'd rather c/c this turn. I mean is Jx calling a bet here?

And I fold.
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Old 12-28-2006, 02:39 AM
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Default Re: Fold top2 vs fishy?

i think fold is good.
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Old 12-28-2006, 12:32 PM
Morrek Morrek is offline
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Default Re: Fold top2 vs fishy?

Yeah ok I'll give my thoughts. Basically on the flop, I knew he was very capable of having a 6 since he has a very high vpip. Then he calls, so I put him on a 6 or a J or maybe 77-TT, maybe overcards like KQ AK since he's a fish. No draws out there. The K comes, so yeah my hand "improves", but, does it really change that much vs his range?

Then, he minraises me on the turn (ALARM GOES OFF), but, I have top2. I think he's capable of doing this w/ like AK KQ, atleast some of the time. I really don't think he does it with a J, and he definitely does it with any 6. Soo against this range + some fishy AA and w/e I'm 25%:

Board: Jc 6d 6s Kd
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 24.7214 % 24.28% 00.44% { KJo }
Hand 2: 75.2786 % 74.84% 00.44% { AA, JJ, 66, AKs, A6s, KQs, K6s, Q6s, 96s, 86s, 76s, 64s+, AKo, 86o, 76o, 65o }

I realize that's a lot of combinations of 6x, but I think he calls me preflop with all those hands.

So I'm leaning towards a fold here. It feels really weird to fold top2 vs a fish but I think it's correct. But I still kindof like the turn bet as I think he'll call down with maybe Kx, definitely Jx and some other weird hands he decides to call down with, but once he raises me I think I'm drawing to 4outs.
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Old 12-28-2006, 12:56 PM
Pasterbator Pasterbator is offline
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Default Re: Fold top2 vs fishy?

Against these guys timing tells are huge.

Especially on the flop, did he instacall? Take about 10-15 seconds then call?

With the given info, i pretty much flip a coin bc he can easily show you AK.
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Old 12-28-2006, 01:08 PM
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Default Re: Fold top2 vs fishy?

I don't remember any timing tells on the flop, so probably about 5-7 seconds or so. On the turn he raised me almost instantly, like 2-3 seconds tops.
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