A survey on rake (time) in each B&M cardrooms

[Mike Gallo]

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Correct me if i am wrong and please tell me where the 15/30 LHE games are in AC

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The Taj will spead $15-$30 if they have an interest list long enough.

They spread the game about 3 months ago.

[jk90029]

More info from a friend-

Venetian
2/5 $100-1$000,10% upto $4
10/20 $800buy, $7/HH
Bellagio
2/5 $200-$500, 10% upto$4
10/20 $800buy $7/HH
30/60 $500buy $6/HH
40/80 $800buy $7/HH
60/120 $1000buy $7/HH

Foxwoods(100+ tables)
12 tables of $300buy(1/2) NLHE
6 tables of $500buy(2/5) NLHE

Borgata
12 tables of $300buy(1/2) NLHE
6 tables of $500buy(2/5) NLHE

Keep me posted.

-Jay

[SellingtheDrama]

ummm your friend is wrong on the Borgata # tables - they'll spread more than that.

[rubixxcube]

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ummm your friend is wrong on the Borgata # tables - they'll spread more than that.

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I'll agree with this. During the week they may float around those number but on weekends i have seen 15-20 1/2 NL games and a few more 2/5 running as well.

The thing about # of tables is that it varies a lot from weekends to weekdays and by time of day.

Weekends for example at borgata you will usually see 4-6 10/20 holdem and 4-6 20/40 holdem but during the week those numbers are more like 2-4 and these numbers are less in the early morning and morning until you hit the afternoon when more show up.

The Taj spreads about the same on LHE tables, not sure about NL at the taj.

Stud games at taj at 10/20 and 20/40 are usually 2-3 at each level sometimes more for 20/40.

The borgata only spreads 20/40 stud on saturdays usually and its only 1 table. No other low-mid limit stud is spread at the borgata, or if it is it is very rare.
**I will play this game sometimes as they will give some good incentives to players in this game to keep us stud players away from the taj. Example on more than 1 occasion with an almost full table we asked floor for a Free Half hour,(No Time Charge), and they granted it. Last time around 6pm they came around and comped everyone $25 to the restaurant of their choice as well. This game runs in the High Limit Room also so Free Redbulls and Fiji Water.

They almost always have 1 10/20 stud8/O8 2 way game with a half kill. On busy weekends they sometimes open up a second one if list is long and they have a spare table.

Taj also has a 1 3/6 two way game which is a full kill game and occasionally they get a 5/10 O8 with a full kill going if there is enough interest.

taj also spreads a few 2/4 omaha h/l game usually. 1-2 tables.

Borgata every once in a while spreads 2/4 O8 as well.

I'm staying down there tonight so i will try to remember to write some counts down on tables tonight and tomorrow.

[cmurl904]

Is there any chance that Borgata will ever spread 5/10 or 10/20 stud again ? In your opinion, what would it take ?

When does the 2/4 O8 game go ?

[rubixxcube]

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Is there any chance that Borgata will ever spread 5/10 or 10/20 stud again ? In your opinion, what would it take ?

When does the 2/4 O8 game go ?

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it would take convincing most if not all regulars/old dudes at the taj to go to the borgata.
I have seen 1-5 stud there maybe twice in the last 2 years. never seen 5/10 stud there and once i played in a 10/20 stud game. and once they opened a 15/30/45 stud game that lasted all of about 1 hour.

I'm not sure what they have done to try to get the players from the Taj nor i am my sure what they could do to get them over to the borgata. The rumor around town basically is if you want to play mid-limit stud in AC the Taj is the place to go.

The borgata does run several 75/150 and 150/300 stud games regularly, not sure how they got those players over there.

I also think the borgata has so many LHE and NL games going the fact that they are missing out on the few of us who play Middle limit stud is not bothering them at all.

Most Friday/Saturday nights many new tables they open are 1/2 Nl and 2/5 Nl as 1/2 especially can get long lists and they probably see it as more important to open those tables as opposed to a mid limit stud game that won't last too long.

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EDIT: the funniest thing is that every time i'm there they do put a few names on a list of interest, yet they know as well as i do that they aren't going to open the game.

2/4 O8 is spread randomly, i'm not sure what determines when it runs, usually peek hours on weekends.

[jk90029]

Here is intermediate report, collected by 2+2ers. Correct any error or missing info in this page, with possible English deficiency.

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Tables # of games in each cardrooms, with rake amount

1. average number of tables on Friday 9PM(hot time) During weekdays, it is estimated about 70% of weekend, unless noted.
2. buyin and stake 3.SB&BB 4.Limit or No-Limit 5. pot rake(preflop+postflop+jackpotdrop) or hourly time charge

*)Names of cardrooms are ordered from wet to east.
*)Only mid-limit games, such as NLHE$200 or higher and LHE $5/$10 or higher, are listed.

Commerce commercecasino.com/
30/60 stud 4+1
20/40 LHE 4+1
40/80 LHE 4+1
60/120 LHE 11/HH
100/200 LHE 12/HH
400/800 LHE 16/HH
600/1200 LHE 17/HH
8 tables of $200buy ($3/$5) NLHE $1+$3+$1
10 tables of $400buy ($5/$10) NLHE $1+$4+$1
3 tables of $600buy+ ($10/$20) NLHE $9 per HH
50/100 NLHE 14/HH
Venetian venetian.com
$100buy~$1000 ($2/$5) NLHE $1 at $10/$20/$50/$90 (up to $4)
$800buy ($10/$20) NLHE $7/HH
Bellagio bellagio.com/
$200-$500 ($2/$5) NLHE 10% upto$4
$800buy ($10/$20) NLHE $7/HH
$500buy ($30/$60) NLHE $6/HH
$800buy ($40/$80) NLHE $7/HH
$1000buy ($60/$120) NLHE $7/HH

Bay 101 and Garden City in San Jose bay101.com and gardencitycasino.com
10% up to $4

Canterbury Park canterburypark.com/cardclub.aspx

Turning Stone turning-stone.com
10% up to $4

Foxwoods(100+ tables) foxwoods.com
12 tables of $300buy(1/2) NLHE
6 tables of $500buy(2/5) NLHE
Borgata theborgata.com
12 tables of $300buy(1/2) NLHE
6 tables of $500buy(2/5) NLHE
6 tables of $10/$20 LHE and 5 tables of $20/$40 LHE

TajMahal trumptaj.com
3 tables of $10/$20 LHE
3 tables of $20/$40 LHE

Brighton Seminole seminolecasinobrighton.com
10% up to $1+$4+$1 jackpot in 25c increments. The $1 jackpot drop is taken when the pot reaches $10. They do not observe the no flop-no drop convention.

Immokalee Seminole Casino theseminolecasino.com
limit games - 10% up to $5 + $1 jackpot drop.
no-limit games - 10% up to $6 + $1 jackpot drop.
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[Demonic1]

I think Milwaukee has the best rake going,some people dont like them because they don't have a J/P but i know that when i play at a place and put my money in their J/P for months with the same players and then it gets high and all of the sudden you have people from out of no where come to win our J/P money and usually do. I seldom see a rooms "regular" players win the J/P that they've paid into for months. Milwaukee's rake was at $4 with some "specialty" games at $3. You can't find that anywhere else in the midwest from Chi-town to Michigan.

[psandman]

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Venetian
2/5 $100-1$000,10% upto $4

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This is incorrect unless it recently changed last I knew it was $1 on $10/$20/$50/$90