I think I'm only dealt JJ

[jkamowitz]

The game is insanely good. One of the best I've seen in a long time. All the decents are out of town (I'm looking at you LA/Australia in one day sir)

There is a man who is a psycho. He plays every Sunday and raises 8/10 hands, the other 2 he randomly limps or is in the blinds. So far he has 4-bet A3o pf, raised the 93o utg and must've gone to church because he is up around three racks.
His turn aggression is huge and frequently raises with 1p/2p/semi bluffs/outright bluffs. Ex: he raised pf I 3-bet 77 he c/raised me on a K834ds board and my hand was good when he barreled a 2 on the river and exposed 79o. But he will also have the goods as its tough to put him on a hand which is what he loves.

The game has devolved into 9 players vs. him.

He raises utg, a decent player but who admits to playing with scared money (he is a 10/20 player taking a shot) 3-bets otb, I cap J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] in the sb and they both call.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
I bet and they both call.

Turn 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
I bet, psycho raises, decent player instantly splashes 16 chips into the pot. And I consult 2p2.

If I do call what are my plans for a blank river? a spade? or overs?

[JJH3984]

I'm confused what decent players action was on the turn? raise or call?

[jkamowitz]

Sorry for the confusion, decent player calls 2 bets on the turn.

Kit, his range is literally anything and more if he can detect weakness. He is liable to have a 3 as well as overs, flush draw, one pair, 2 pair.

[KitCloudkicker]

i think the "decent player" has 77.

question what do you estimate psycho's range here to be? because a raise on an all rag, connected board is somewhat different from a bluffraise on a K-high board.

[gameoverjc]

Fold. Realistically, decent player could hold qq/kk here or a-x big suited, but I really don't like being oop and having to call 1-2 more bets down the road against a pyscho on a 4 card straight board. I doubt you are ahead much in this situation... it's sorta 50/50.

Edit: tired from playing all night, so let me add. You might actually call this turn raise and see what happens at river. If psycho bets, decent player calls, I think it's safe to muck your hand there and not shoot for overcall.


On a side note: I think this man's psycho church going cousin paid me and a friend a visit in Norcal last night as well...

[Yads]

Call a bet and I call 1 bet on all rivers.

[JJH3984]

What about a threebet? "Decent player with scared money" seems like the type to do it against.

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What about a threebet? "Decent player with scared money" seems like the type to do it against.

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Actually in my experience, when a player like this gets this far with a hand that beats us, he's going to grit his teeth and call down. If he's decent, then he knows that the presence of the psycho means that OP could be making some kind of squeeze play.

I would just call down and only fold if the river goes bet-raise (especially if the river is a spade).

[gameoverjc]

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Fold. Realistically, decent player could hold qq/kk here or a-x big suited, but I really don't like being oop and having to call 1-2 more bets down the road against a pyscho on a 4 card straight board. I doubt you are ahead much in this situation... it's sorta 50/50.

Edit: tired from playing all night, so let me add. You might actually call this turn raise and see what happens at river. If psycho bets, decent player calls, I think it's safe to muck your hand there and not shoot for overcall.


On a side note: I think this man's psycho church going cousin paid me and a friend a visit in Norcal last night as well...

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I originally wrote a long post responding to you jskills, but decided to just requote myself.

Results oriented post eh? I believe I posted that I'd fold/call 50/50 in this spot. And I posted that before the results of the hand/many other posters chimed in.

Next time please scroll up before marking my post as 'results oriented.'

Edit to add: I also praised the op's ability to play the hand so well, and wondered why he was beating himself up when he played a tough spot very well and made a good fold on river when he finally collected all the info. I pointed out some small other decisions that he may/may not take into account next time. Maybe it came across the wrong way, for that, I apologize.

[3rdCheckRaise]

As phsyco myself i check the turn against someone with 169 combinations for a range but as played you have to call the raise and most like likely call one bet on the river but not 2.