live 3/6 game hand

[zizazziza]

First of all I would like to say that if all live o8 is this way I dont know if I can ever not play. at least 6 ppl seeing the flop, raising and r/r insanely with crappy hands. Well here is the hand im talking about. I have a tight image, but that doesnt matter to most people in this game since they are donkeys.
im in sb with A22Q
utg folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO folds, Btn raises, i call, they all call behind
i check in the dark
flop comes 223hh
checked around [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
i dark bet
turn comes 5
3 callers, pfr raises, i .... ?
There is a decent chance of all of them calling, but I dont know how great it is since im 3b here. Is this a call to lead/3b river or 3b here?

[Buzz]

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First of all I would like to say that if all live o8 is this way I dont know if I can ever not play.

[/ QUOTE ] zizazziza - Great game, isn't it?

I don't think you'll always have a table of donkeys.

For the hand in question, you're playing blind (not looking at your cards)? And after the pre-flop raise, you bet this flop without having looked at your cards? Wild!

But then you must finally take a peek on the turn, you see that you have quads and you wonder how to extract the maximum. I think you'll lose one or two, and maybe all three limpers if you make it two big bets to them after they see that you have looked at your cards. You'd think even fools would have to be concerned about Button making it three bets. Hard to say for sure, though.

At any rate, I think you should just call and then bet the river, hoping for a raise from Button. I think you do slightly better playing it this way. Hard to say for sure, though.

Buzz

[prodonkey]

dark checking was gay.. bet the flop.. I just call the raise, then lead the river

[Rush17]

There's a couple of reasons why I don't think you should check in the dark:

1) There are going to be certain hands that, when you see the flop, you're going to want to lead out rather than check/call.

2) Because the game you describe requires NO fancy plays whatsoever.

I also thought it was bad that you dark bet the turn. Yuk! When someone does that, it usually means a lot of strength and especially if the dark bet is coming from the first position player. (and if you're gonna say that "noone was paying attention to you anyway"...then I rest my case for leading out with quads.)=

Oh, and raise the turn, too. Normally I would think that the turn card (5) to be an action stopper (because it not only brings the low but there's a also a wheel possibility), but in this game (where players were insanely raising/reraising with crappy hands) I'd bet if anyone had a straight, 2 hearts, an overpair, or what have you...I bet you get their action, too. And there's always that chance (albeit a slim one) that by playing your hand really strong may actually fold off someone with a weakish low. Ya never know what the button has; maybe he doesn't have a low----maybe he has pocket 5's.

Imo, this is not a pull situation even though it may seem like one (and that's only because you have flopped quads). But, you have to look at the pot and the amount of players that saw the flop for a raise. It's a pretty big pot. And in big pots, players are more inclined to chase, especially BAD players! If you lose their action, so be it, but you are WAY more inclined to receive it.

[zizazziza]

i looked @ my cards pf but im not 3b pf with that, but the ppl r so aggressive on the flop that I figured that at least 1 person was going to bet out, the fact that i checked dark is pretty much pointless. i think this was one of mebbe 3 times of the 3-4 hrs that a pot was checked on the flop