SSNL Demography 4/07

[SpecT]

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Where can we play poker completely tax free? Gibraltar?

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Australia, don't declare. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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yay4us

[Louis Vuitton]

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LOL OVERROLLAMENTS

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50 buyins is the new 20 buyins. You [censored] degen.

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wow, what's ur problem, ur waving ur japan flag?

[2Paul2]

Your post and points are quite good but you played the example hand pretty bad and are being quite results orientated about it.

Villain is a slightly loose, stubborn 100nl tag. Not only that you think hes getting annoyed at you and that youe raising to much. What exactly do you think he's mr:ing on that dry board and then folding to a rr. Given the desc. I doubt he folds 88. The only way you ever take it down is if he had air and that wont be anywhere near often enough.

Paul

[natzucowww]

i think you're right i can be results-oriented sometimes, but i also think it's a fine line that a player capable of crushing walks. sometimes you walk on the conservative side, sometimes you walk on the donkish side, trying to find out when the perfect medium lies.

let me be more clear i'm playing lag but i'm not playing out of control, my post-flop play has been aggressive but not idiotic so i think he generally respects my play but knows i'm f.o.s. occasionally. i had not reraised one of his flop raises so i def. do think he's folding eights in this spot if in fact he would raise (not minraise he raised my $5 to $15) eights in the first place, which is arguable if in fact he would raise 88 there.

basically i'm playing a style, which i'm finding is very profitable at an average .5/1 game at full tilt, with average, taggish-because-they've-read-taggish-is-profitable-and-know-basics-about-poker, players, which (the style) consists of basically opening with any decent hand in many positions and playing the player on top of playing my cards. obv. that's the game of poker in a nutshell but i'm finding that at small stakes people can't see outside the cards and/or are not willing to step outside of their comfort zone which is one of the areas i exploit.

i feel like i take down a lot of pots with c-bets simply because it's hard to hit flop and i make good middling bets where it's hard for opponents to figure out if i have something or not.

if someone starts to repop me fine, we start having a conversation and metagame starts which i am becoming more comfortable in because i've donked off a lot of money trying to find people's threshold and thus have that personal experience. I'm an ex-prof. athlete (soccer) and in college my coach (very good) talked about walking the line between out of control yet in control, which i very much identified with, and i'm trying to relate this 'warrior-like' wisdom to poker i suppose.

back to the hand, i am playing laggish pre, and taking down a fair amount of pots with c-bets, but i have yet to 4? bet anyone who has raised my c-bets. i have generally laid down to anybody who fired back, which few were capable of doing unless they had a hand, so i thought i could def. fold eights, paaaahsibly a jack like jack ten, though in hindsight i was wrong.

i think you are def. right though about what he is raising with on that dry board, i know sometimes i project how i myself would play (if i was in his shoes against someone i viewed as laggy) onto other people's play, but what can i say i'm a meat-head donkey at heart (and i think i need to write that as a disclaimer at the end of my posts hahah). i do however believe that a fundamental block on an average player's mindset is that of a lack of creativity, which imo stems from an aversion to making mistakes.

nobody really wants to be a loser. i was watching donald trump on joe scarborough's (msnbc) show the other night and the donald talks about the same thing. he said he 'hates' to be a loser, obv. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img], but that you can't fear losing/making mistakes. whatever, that's a bit separate from the point that the hand was not played well in your view but ties into my reasoning for playing laggish, when the situation's right.

anyways, thanks for your input, i've seen and respect your posts hollah.

[natzucowww]

agreed but what do you do when you get to mid-stakes, obv. you have to mix it up more with the better player, my point and personal philosophy is move up when you can crush and to crush you can't play super abc cause players these days know the standard in's and out's. yeah maybe you grind out a good winrate but how do you become the best poker player possible is what i'm getting at.

[PSW]

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Wow Im suprised at how many people have 50+ buyin rolls, I thought I was conservative with 40. Also I wish people were more honest with the last question, Id love to see real results on the % of winners vs losers but people cant even be honest with themselves.

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but 50+ is only 25+ for the next level....not nearly enough IMO for SSNL. OK for shot taking, but not moving up.

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I never totally understand this. OK for shot taking, but not moving up... If you take a shot and don't get creamed, haven't you moved up? Do you take a shot, win money and go back to your old limit?

psw

[GittyUP]

I like getting dirty...then I wash myself off with my all my money.

[GittyUP]

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Wow Im suprised at how many people have 50+ buyin rolls, I thought I was conservative with 40. Also I wish people were more honest with the last question, Id love to see real results on the % of winners vs losers but people cant even be honest with themselves.

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but 50+ is only 25+ for the next level....not nearly enough IMO for SSNL. OK for shot taking, but not moving up.

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I never totally understand this. OK for shot taking, but not moving up... If you take a shot and don't get creamed, haven't you moved up? Do you take a shot, win money and go back to your old limit?

psw

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I think he means that its ok for opening up one table of higher limits but not Ok to start 6 tabling higher limits all the time.

[tufat23]

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right. $100k/year would be a bad year for the better ssnlers

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Really? I don't see anyone posting consistent 10k months? And Jay, wasn't like 6-7k your best month last month? That is well behind the pace of 100k year, although not really if you factor in moving up and such.

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people are sending me $10k month graphs all the time, just never posting them. u'll see it maybe once at the end of the month, and with little hoo ha no one remembers it. Also realise that people expect to get better and earn more later in the year

personally, i expect $40k+ months by the end of the year. atm i have exams, but finish the first week of may, then i'm gonna start putting in 80k+ hands/month (its my last year of uni), which i figure is gonna mean i cry if i make less than $20k in month.

and granted i've been playing a lot of msnl, but this is relevant because the 'better' ssnlers are gonna be moving up. there are a lot of very good players whom i talk to all the time that rarely post, and they're killing ssnl

[Jay Riall]

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LOL OVERROLLAMENTS

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50 buyins is the new 20 buyins. You [censored] degen.

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wow, what's ur problem, ur waving ur japan flag?

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Lol at people who taking everything I say at face value. Japan flag???