Who is responsible for left chips...

[psandman]

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hmm, weird, so far seems like there is no real answer...

sandman - do you just not take breaks? how do you protect your monies while taking a piss and such?

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I recognize there is a certain amount of risk. If I had huge amounts of money on the table I would remove the cash and high denomination chips when i left for dinner breaks. I would leave them on the table for piss breaks (since the table is safer than the bathroom where there are no cameras) but I would put cash under the chips to make it harder to steal. I generally don't worry about chips only cash because chips are hard to steal (especially stacks of low denomination chips).

[rograndom]

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how do you protect your monies while taking a piss and such?

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Don't ask this question at the Taj. You don't want to know answer.

[rageotones]

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You are responsible.

One thing that amazes me is the number of people who for some reason believe that a casino should be responsible for everything that happens in a casino. I had one person tell me how appalled they were that a casino wouldn't make good on there loss from being pickpocketed in the casino. I asked them if they were in a hospital waiting room when they were pickpocketed if they would expect the hospital to pay them back the money they lost and they said "No".

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apples and oranges (chips on table vs. pickpocketing not casino vs. hospital)

[AKQJ10]

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You are responsible.


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So then, the only truly responsible thing to do is to color up, count out your stack in front of a floor, take your money off the table, and then bring it back in presence of the same floor?

My assumption has always been that the surveillance on the tables is the best in the casino, so anyone stealing chips from there would have a really small probability of getting away with it. This thread calls that into question, though.

Guess I should be glad I don't play high-stakes poker.

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I asked them if they were in a hospital waiting room when they were pickpocketed if they would expect the hospital to pay them back the money they lost and they said "No".

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Surveillance isn't quite the same at hospitals. I wouldn't expect the casino to pay me back, but I would expect them to employ every resource to find the pickpocket.

[psandman]

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So then, the only truly responsible thing to do is to color up, count out your stack in front of a floor, take your money off the table, and then bring it back in presence of the same floor?

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Actually i think you are missing something here, even if you are sitting at the table it is not likely that you would be able to react quick enough to stop someone who ran up and grabbed your chips and took off running, especially since they are going to wait until you are distracted. So this isn't an issue only about being away from the table. It is not uncommon for me to see players remove cash and high denomination chips from a table when step away and retrun it when you come back. It doesn't require a floorperson, just tell the dealer how much you took off. Most people don't worry about low denomination chips (especially ones that aren't in racks). Also most rooms will give you a box to place over your chips which would slow down arun and grab theft.

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My assumption has always been that the surveillance on the tables is the best in the casino, so anyone stealing chips from there would have a really small probability of getting away with it. This thread calls that into question, though.

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I think your assumption is mistaken. I would expect surveillance in a poker room to be the worst (other than at the poker cage).

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Surveillance isn't quite the same at hospitals. I wouldn't expect the casino to pay me back, but I would expect them to employ every resource to find the pickpocket.

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Employ every resource? thats a little over the top. While it would be reasonable to expect that they would try to identify the pickpocket and keep there eye out for him if he returns, and provide to the police whatever evidence Surveillence picked up, I hardly expect them to scour the city looking for him.

[Jeffage]

Here's the answer...

You're responsible. That said, you may take cash off the table when you walk (such as a 5k bundle or something) as long as you put it back when you return. Or, say you have like 1000 in hundreds under your chips - just structure your stack in such a way that they are completely buried so no one could just snatch them without notice (never leave paper on the rail, etc). You can also take off high denomination chips (purple, orange, etc) or just put them on the bottom of a stack in the front of your chip mound.

In many places, you can get a class "box" to put over your chips when you walk, particularly at high limit games. All this, combined with the fact that others at the table and the dealer are watching, make theft less likely.

But yes, you are responsible, though the casino will try to help you catch a thief if it happens.

Jeff

[cardcounter0]

Gosh, if only the concept that you are responsible for the chips in front of you, and if you leave the table - take the chips with you and bring them back when you return - or leave them and you are assuming the risk if someone takes them while you are gone - if only this simple concept would keep the nits at home.